Key#1(and a challenge to those with eyes to see)

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Re: Key#1(and a challenge to those with eyes to see)
« Reply #1260 on: May 19, 2017, 06:59:55 PM »
I screengrabbed the comments for proof:


http://imgur.com/a/RJU15



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There's another telling comment there:


"we are all looking for a place where we belong."


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What is the girl dressed as? A bee. She has a love heart on her head. A bee is something that is farmed for it's own energy.
Thank you for screengrabbing those. The comments show as 5k for me...until I sort them by most recent....then it shows how many there really are....188 :(

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Re: Key#1(and a challenge to those with eyes to see)
« Reply #1261 on: May 20, 2017, 11:59:11 PM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commentary_on_the_Apocalypse

More "Illuminated Works" ....." Commentary on the Apocalypse (Commentaria In Apocalypsin) is a book written in the eighth century by the Spanish monk and theologian Beatus of Liébana (730–785)" ".....now this APOCALYPSE is controlling us!!"

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Re: Key#1(and a challenge to those with eyes to see)
« Reply #1262 on: May 21, 2017, 12:24:22 AM »
Nrg i think i've found it or at least close to it.. the book of Wisdom and Folly? So far ive read the first few words. But it talks of things that you have specifically told us such as spiritual experience not being required to find the end, constants and variables, and not only saving ourselves but those around us.

a working knowledge of crowley is required for any esoteric pursuit, ive referenced liber aleph extensively...

lets say this was the book, which I am not saying...

this is a two part equation, a lock and a key,

what does one need first to obtain wisdom, the question or the answer?

The question of course. What good is the answer if you don't know what it's the answer to?
This brings me back to the original question I had earlier. How does the Sylva Sylvarum (Liber Mundi) fit into this? It's an arcane alchemical text that might as well be written in another language (it sort of is -a language of symbolism). Based on the Trail of Deceit links and threads on 4chan, there is clearly more to it then appears on the surface.

On another note, government agencies do have a role in preservation of old texts. I found this collection while researching. I had no idea the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration had their own library.
The material is interesting even if it isn't directly related.

https://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/Rarebook_treasures/

The same language of symbolism I said just yesterday I believe, that is imperative to train yourself to become fluid in...

Ok. So is the book we are trying to find a dictionary of some sort that translates the symbolism in this text to the concepts represented?

Not a dictionary per se, but a Key

like a map has a key

Sorry if this post is backtracking.

I have been researching alchemical symbolism and several sources are pointing to alchemy being predominantly a spiritual pursuit. I found a text by Ethan Allen Hitchcock  which basically explains that Man is represented by metals and gives a method for decoding the symbolic language the alchemists use. He also wrote a sequel which proposes that the writings of Swedenborg are Hermetic in nature and veiled with symbolism much like the alchemical texts.

Another interesting work of Hitchcock's is The Red Book of Appin. The book was created to reveal the esoteric meaning of several fairy tales. In the intro the author states this when describing one of the tales:

"I have thus put the key into the lock : let the curious reader turn it for himself ; it will move more easily, and he will
see how the ever-recurring Truth may be transmitted in a fairy tale from age to age, to be recognized by those whose eyes the Truth has opened."

Later the author provides an interpretation on The Palmerin of England and speaks about how "every department of the inner life may be considered as a special cupboard which is to be opened by a principle within...and although, as we have already seen, they all communicate with each other, each one must be " entered " (or understood) by a key of its own, which is a part of the lock ; or, in other words, the lock and the key are one, and they are inseparable from the cupboard."

This might be unrelated but the idea of the lock and key being one has been brought up before. I thought it was interesting that this author is linked to both Key and Lock references and symbolic alchemical interpretation (key to understanding alchemy). He also remarks in the intro that "the best of ancient learning was couched in proverbs and parables, as Lord [Francis] Bacon himself has told us."

On another note, William Blake was influenced by Swedenborg's writings and referenced them in his works. He also attended the Swedenborg Church. I know this is reaching but...Loki is a Norse god.

Make of this what you will. I'm just hoping some of this might lead to something.

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Re: Key#1(and a challenge to those with eyes to see)
« Reply #1263 on: May 21, 2017, 08:33:08 AM »
Supersonic, it's a pleasure. I knew you were telling the truth, but it's always good to get 100% proof.


RedShift, you may be on to something. I wonder if each 'cupboard' is a different inner chakra.

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Re: Key#1(and a challenge to those with eyes to see)
« Reply #1264 on: May 21, 2017, 11:58:26 AM »
Supersonic, it's a pleasure. I knew you were telling the truth, but it's always good to get 100% proof.


RedShift, you may be on to something. I wonder if each 'cupboard' is a different inner chakra.


ALL division is illusion
  As there are many paths that all lead to rome, there is but one chakra
If there is any hope, it must lie in the proles..but why the proles, How are they most free to act?

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Re: Key#1(and a challenge to those with eyes to see)
« Reply #1265 on: May 21, 2017, 03:55:10 PM »
Supersonic, it's a pleasure. I knew you were telling the truth, but it's always good to get 100% proof.


RedShift, you may be on to something. I wonder if each 'cupboard' is a different inner chakra.


ALL division is illusion
  As there are many paths that all lead to rome, there is but one chakra


Hmmmm. That is too Yodaish for my tastes.  :D


My understanding was that each chakra was a different 'land' with a different flavour of energy... Maybe there is one master chakra, but it's split into many, like rainbows through a prism.


Dragonlance world = The heart chakra. Any comments? I know I asked you before, but I don't think you read it.


Is The Magicians set in the internal world too?


 


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Re: Key#1(and a challenge to those with eyes to see)
« Reply #1266 on: May 21, 2017, 10:48:44 PM »
Supersonic, it's a pleasure. I knew you were telling the truth, but it's always good to get 100% proof.


RedShift, you may be on to something. I wonder if each 'cupboard' is a different inner chakra.


ALL division is illusion
  As there are many paths that all lead to rome, there is but one chakra

I'm interpreting this as saying that the chakras are aspects of a larger etheric body. The alchemical process I mentioned above is one of these routes to Rome but not the shortcut specified earlier in this thread.

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« Reply #1267 on: May 22, 2017, 03:01:23 AM »
I'm pretty sure this is the connection between William Blake and the Norse mythology references in the CoS riddle.
This also ties in with the Three Moirai or Fates discussion earlier.

Blake created  illustrations for the two poems below by Thomas Gray:

The Descent of Odin: http://collections.britishart.yale.edu/vufind/Record/1667930

The Fatal Sisters: http://collections.britishart.yale.edu/vufind/Record/1667925


The Descent of Odin. An Ode. ends with the following lines which clearly represent the coming of Ragnarok. Loki (Lok) is even directly referenced.

"Till Lok has burst his tenfold chain;
Never, till substantial Night
Has reassumed her ancient right;
Till wrapped in flames, in ruin hurled,
Sinks the fabric of the world."

If you read The Fatal Sisters. An Ode. it clearly speaks about the Fates and their loom. Here are the poems:

Descent of Odin: http://www.thomasgray.org/cgi-bin/display.cgi?text=dooo

Fatal Sisters: http://www.thomasgray.org/cgi-bin/display.cgi?text=fsio

How these poems tie into Tor and the other topics i'm not sure yet.

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Re: Key#1(and a challenge to those with eyes to see)
« Reply #1268 on: May 22, 2017, 11:45:55 PM »
Most of you may not know as he's brand new, but we have a new member named Seekr.

This is Seekr introducing himself:

Hi man

Been a lurker here on the last couple of days, found some great insighs, even though it's pretty hard to piece to picture together

I've been interested on the conspiracy thing on and off over the years. And always was fascinated with the idea of using that knowledge in a practical way, for example, making money!

I asked Grass how he did use elliot waves on stock markets!!!

Because I lost so much money on financial markets, especially forex, and of course I used the elliot waves, just like a lot of traders.. but it is just another bunk strategy just like the hundred of financial market strategies. They don't work!

But that's normal, because if they did, why not everyone is a billionaire by now :D ? hence less than 3% make it on the long term trading (stocks, etc)

So Nick, can you shed any gems here :D any other esoteric/mystical stuff I can use to make money? magical uses to increase sales? convince people? tuning with the cosmos/records, to know direction of a particular stock :D ? it would be too good to be true, but who knows! if you can only be more than 50% right, you'll make ton of $$$.

On another note, in one of your replies you said that ego is an alien, and that is exactly ring with the Quran. I'm muslim, and we believe that everyone has an entity/Djinn glued to him :D 24h/24h, called Qareen, its entire purpose is whispering to you, to make you do bad deeds.. and to keep your head full of racing thoughts.

Looking forward for your reply, Regards.


this is my reply:  Hello and welcome.

So first, understand ALL markets are rigged games, none of the elite gamble on an outcome that isnt already predetermined, the trick is accessing the same information they get. Buy Northrop Grumman, than sell 2 weeks after they merge with lockheed(it may be a quicker turnaround, ill update you if so, but major regression wont occur until one or two splits about 10 trading days or so) 

Money is worthless, the reason people stay poor is they are hoarding paper which is in itself, debt. I was a bullion broker, stock broker and precious metals dealer for almost 2 decades and not one of my high net worth clients had more than 10% of their assets "liquid"(paper money) It was almost all in land, oil, gold, silver etc.. TANGIBLE assets.

Buy silver now. it doesnt matter its at 16 and it was at 12 6 months ago. any price 25 and under is just fine. The world silver survey for 2017 just reported they are mining 886 million oz of silver a year, but securities exchanges sell over 159 billion oz/year. Think about THAT for a second. Thats a 517:1 paper to physical ratio

gold is SLIGHTLY better off with a 233:1 paper to physical ratio.

You can only juggle for so long before you have to put the balls down.

The truth no one wants to hear though, no matter how much information i provide here, you will never accumulate wealth until you align your intention with your actions.  CHasing money is the surest way to be broke. find something you are passionate about and do that. Even when it gets hard, even when it seems like you're failing, the universe is testing your resolve. Stay with it and you will have more than you ever need.

I understand this place can be a bit confusing at first, so if you have any questions or need anything feel free to ask me(or anyone else here, they're all wonderful and helpful) anything at any time for any reason.

Also, Ive always admired the Islamic faith, although like many religions its been coopted and perverted. You and I (like many other regulars here) may disagree from time to time on things, and not only is it ok, I encourage it, just keep in mind, I am never speaking about individuals, but collectives. I am familiar with the Djinn, are you familiar with djwal Khul?, its the entity that spurred the notion of the djinn in early islamic faith.

I dont want to run before we're walking but all 3 abrahamic faiths are actually the same religion, not something i expect anyone to believe right off the bat, but in time I can and will show you...

Again welcome and Im looking forward to your contributions here.

Seekr:
Hey thanks very much for the quick reply, great insights, much appreciated.

Without reading your biography or Ama, I kinda knew that you have good knowledge about the financial stuff, it turned out that was your career :D

I agree with you on the markets are rigged, and highly efficient! Without insider info, you'll lose longterm. No technical or fundamental bullshit can acurately predict the markets! But getting the inside info is impossible for 99.99% of us!

I agree on the paper money being worthless, but the thing is, if you put all your savings on a commodity, lets say OIL, a couple of years ago, you're screwed, because it is down now and I don't think, it will ever go up to what is used to be!
That's the problem with investing! But I thinks Gold/Silver will just keep going up in the longterm no matter what.

Never heard of Khul, to be honest i'm not a practical Muslim, but I can't see how he could spurr the Djinn notion, since it's been mentioned extensively on the Quran, so all muslims beleieve in them from early days.

And yes we know that the 3 Abrahamic religions are the same, we have the same only God, and we believe and respect greatly all the other prophets (Abraham, Jesus, etc). The thing is, those 2 last holy books ( Taorat & Bible ) were twisted/corrupted, and that's why Allah send a last true prophet to humanity, Mohamed peace upon him, to bring us the last true message and holy  book the Quran which CAN'T be twisted like the formers, and now, this is really interesting because it's been thousand and half year now, and indeed, any Quran you'll find will be identical to another Quran in a different part of the globe! THEY couldn't twist it this time. So now you have a proof that Islam, or at least the core of it (Quran) isn't coopted and perverted as you said, but the other 2 are :D

NRG
I appreciate your timely response, we'll save the theological debate for another time, but i suggest you read early translations of the quran and search for inconstencies, not just the torah, but the talmud as well as the bible, all have had the truth within them parsed,distorted and misaligned to create a certain mentality in people.

That being said, conspiracy forums arent generally where people go looking for financial gain. Is there something else you seek?

The revelation of the Quran was not an isolated event in time. It was a constant stream of verses descending to Muhammad. throughout the 23 years of his prophethood in Makkah and Madinah. The Prophet  appointed numerous Companions of his to serve as scribes, writing down the latest verses as soon as they were revealed. Mu’awiya ibn Abu Sufyan and Zaid bin Thabit were among the scribes who had this duty. For the most part, new verses would be written on scraps of bone, hide, or parchment, since paper had not yet been imported from China. It is important to note that Muhammad would have the scribes read back the verses to him after writing them down so he can proofread and make sure there were no errors.

To further ensure that there were no errors, Muhammad ﷺ ordered that no one records anything else, not even his words, hadith, on the same sheet as Quran. Regarding the sheets that the Quran was being written down on, he stated “and whoever has written anything from me other than the Quran should erase it”2. This was done to ensure that no other words were accidentally thought to be part of the text of the Quran.

It is important to understand, however, that physical writing down of the Quran was not the main way that the Quran was recorded. Arabia in the 600s was an oral society. Very few people could read and write, thus huge emphasis was placed on ability to memorize long poems, letters, and other messages. Before Islam, Makkah was a center of Arabic poetry. Annual festivals were held every year that brought together the best poets from all over the Arabian Peninsula. Exuberant attendees would memorize the exact words that their favorite poets recited and quote them years and decades later.

Thus, in this type of oral society, the vast majority of the Companions learned and recorded the Quran by memorization. In addition to their natural ability to memorize, the rhythmic nature of the Quran made its memorization much easier.

The Quran was not narrated to just a few select Companions. It was heard and memorized by hundreds and thousands of people, many of them travelers to Madinah. Thus, chapters and verses of the Quran quickly spread during the life of the Prophet ﷺ to all corners of the Arabian Peninsula. Those who had heard verses from the Prophet ﷺ would go and spread them to tribes far away, who would also memorize them. In this way, the Quran achieved a literary status known among the Arabs as mutawatir. Mutawatir means that it was so vastly disseminated to so many different groups of people, who all had the same exact wording, that it is inconceivable that that any one person or group could have falsified it. Some sayings of the Prophet ﷺ are known to be authentic through it being mutawatir, but the entire Quran itself is accepted as being mutawatir, because of its wide spread during the life of the Prophet ﷺ through oral means.

Also rather well known is the fact that Ubay ibn Ka'b was in possession of a copy of the Quran, which was markedly different.

Ubay is claimed to have remarked that, he had taken these words from the mouth of Muhammed himself and that he would not leave (renounce, disregard) them for anything.

So here again we have a clear example of a different version of the Qur’an existing. It should be noted that Ubay was an extremely well regard authority on the Qur’an.

I tell you this not to dissuade you from your beliefs but rather to ignite your passion for the truth you already worship.


One contradiction in the quran, which by islams own logic invalidates it as the word of good. I could and have done this with any holy book, but you claim the quran to be true so here you are


Quran sometimes condemns sin but on the other side gives green flag to commit sin

Quran says in Surah 17:32-34. "Nor come nigh to adultery: for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils). Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given his heir authority (to demand qisas or to forgive): but let him nor exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by the Law). Come not nigh to the orphan's property except to improve it, until he attains the age of full strength; and fulfil (every) engagement, for (every) engagement will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning)."




If there is any hope, it must lie in the proles..but why the proles, How are they most free to act?

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Re: Key#1(and a challenge to those with eyes to see)
« Reply #1269 on: May 22, 2017, 11:46:48 PM »


But in Quran itself you can find that adultery is permitted as we read in Surah 2:230. "So if a husband divorces his wife (irrevocably), He cannot, after that, re-marry her until after she has married another husband and He has divorced her. In that case there is no blame on either of them if they re-unite, provided they feel that they can keep the limits ordained by Allah. Such are the limits ordained by Allah, which He makes plain to those who understand."


Certainly the word of god would be complete and not leave anything unaddressed, yet the quran isnt even a stand alone text. example: the hadith.

Any muslim will tell you that you need to understand Arabic to fully understand the Quran. The Quran is originally written in Arabic.http://islam.about.com/od/arabiclanguage/a/arabic.htm

-Abraham and Moses did not speak Arabic, neither did Jesus (assuming they all existed). Many prophets before Muhammad did not speak this language
-Shouldnt God exist in more than one language?
-Can an illiterate read Arabic or any other language? So illiterates are not "real" muslims.

contradictions:

What was man created from: blood, clay, dust, or nothing?
"Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood," (96:2).
"We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26).
"The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was," (3:59).
"But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?" (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35).
"He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer! (16:4).

Is there or is there not compulsion in religion according to the Qur'an?
"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things," (2:256).
"And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,--that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith," (9:3).
"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful," (9:5).
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued," (9:29)

The first Muslim was Muhammad? Abraham? Jacob? Moses?
"And I [Muhammad] am commanded to be the first of those who bow to Allah in Islam," (39:12).
"When Moses came to the place appointed by Us, and his Lord addressed him, He said: "O my Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may look upon thee." Allah said: "By no means canst thou see Me (direct); But look upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then shalt thou see Me." When his Lord manifested His glory on the Mount, He made it as dust. And Moses fell down in a swoon. When he recovered his senses he said: "Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in repentance, and I am the first to believe." (7:143).
"And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; "Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the Faith of Islam," (2:132)

Does Allah forgive or not forgive those who worship false gods?
Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed," (4:48).  Also 4:116
The people of the Book ask thee to cause a book to descend to them from heaven: Indeed they asked Moses for an even greater (miracle), for they said: "Show us Allah in public," but they were dazed for their presumption, with thunder and lightning. Yet they worshipped the calf even after clear signs had come to them; even so we forgave them; and gave Moses manifest proofs of authority," (4:153).

Are Allah's decrees changed or not?
"Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers," (6:34).
"The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all, (6:115).
None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?" (2:106).
When We substitute one revelation for another,- and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages),- they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not," (16:101).

Was Pharaoh killed or not killed by drowning?
"We took the Children of Israel across the sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them in insolence and spite. At length, when overwhelmed with the flood, he said: "I believe that there is no god except Him Whom the Children of Israel believe in: I am of those who submit (to Allah in Islam). (It was said to him): "Ah now!- But a little while before, wast thou in rebellion!- and thou didst mischief (and violence)!  This day shall We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!" (10:90-92).
Moses said, "Thou knowest well that these things have been sent down by none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth as eye-opening evidence: and I consider thee indeed, O Pharaoh, to be one doomed to destruction!"  So he resolved to remove them from the face of the earth: but We did drown him and all who were with him," (17:102-103).

Is wine consumption good or bad?
O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,--of Satan's handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper," (5:90).
(Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?" (47:15).
Truly the Righteous will be in Bliss: On Thrones (of Dignity) will they command a sight (of all things): Thou wilt recognize in their faces the beaming brightness of Bliss. Their thirst will be slaked with Pure Wine sealed," (83:22-25).


Seekr:Oh, I really wasn't here to discuss my religion in the first place.

As I said, unfortunately, i'm not delved in it enough to start debates here, but I see that english translations of Qoran can not tell the True meaning of it, I skimmed quickly trough what you wrote and didn't see any contradiction in your 1st example! and the last one too.. just to answer the first one, after divorce she must marry someone else, before she can be married back to her 1st husband.. what's hard here to understand? last one, it is really easy, I don't know why you couldn't get it

Wine is Haram (Forbidden) in life -- and Totally okay in heaven. That description of the verse is about rivers of wine in heaven! No contradictions here. It is a different place where you have a different body, and you have won/passed the exam, so the wine now is a reward.

Anyone versed in religion will answer those questions with ease and convince you about it, but trust me, i'm not here to debate a particular religion, i'm here to I seek the truth of life, I have an open mind, I like conspiracy theories, I feel and know for sure that there is something very wrong about life or at least the way we live it, there is a lot of secrets hidden from humanity! There are elites out there controlling from behind the curtains, I have good knowledge about theories, and i'm here to piece them together!

 I read the whole (Key 1 challenge) thread you posted in ONE GO, 85 pages, and what a big disapointment it was :D nor me or anyone on it could get out with something solid, useful. Yes we learned a lot trying to decipher that jibberish (I know about the journey more important than destination.. and stuff) but for what? can you follow me here!

So my big request is, can you point me in the right direction about that thread? How can someone get enlightened using some "website" in a couple of hours/days as you said? can you tell me which website is that? or how you can open portals from websites, that's big! Is this even true nick?

Nrg

"Im not here to debate"

Proceeds to debate..lol

If you took those conclusiona from key one, for you, it is non existant.

Cheers





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Re: Key#1(and a challenge to those with eyes to see)
« Reply #1270 on: May 23, 2017, 12:49:39 AM »
Seekr's questions come off as genuine to me, if the conclusions are a bit off target. You lurkers have good questions, you need to speak up more and post what you think  8)


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Re: Key#1(and a challenge to those with eyes to see)
« Reply #1271 on: May 23, 2017, 04:40:09 AM »
It's late and I'm tired so please excuse my train of thought and logic on this one as it's my first day off after working five, 13 hour shifts...

So here's my thought process in regards to the internet/websites opening portals. Bear with me cause I'll try and make the connection at the end of  the story so that it logically follows how I came to this conclusion.

So In my down time I do a couple things to decompress/relax. The number one thing I do is play video games, followed by reading/researching both books and websites, working out, and gardening in that order. Maybe I'm off base with this, but today I'm going with my gut feeling here. I've seen the internet and the digital age expand exponentially since it's inception to the point where your digital presence or online persona on the web and in video games is now almost a complete extension of yourself and just as important in many cases.

You now even see this with many of the video games as they all have "achievements", "goals", and "progressions" to work toward. I find this important to note because even though I'm a strong willed and self-aware person, I too find myself getting sucked into this. So for the last 4-5 hours I've just been playing some video games to relax and got this weird feeling that I'm losing touch with my physical self in replace of this digital experience. I'm now finding myself getting the short term satisfaction of making menial accomplishments in video games as I once did in real life.

What I'm trying to get at here is that I feel that our physical shell's or avatars in which we use here to guide us through our psychical experiences are starting to become lost and replaced with this new digital experience. Hell I don't even have Facebook or social media and I feel sucked in. I can't imagine how the people who post and tweet their every waking moment through their social media feel...

I think as a whole were no longer using our physical avatars to the capacity that they were once used.  And with most people constantly connected to the internet through portable media (cell phones and tablets) we are in a sense symbolically creating another world within in a world, for what I would term our "digital avatars" are now using to explore the internet with.

So this got me thinking about what life was like before the internet. I'm only 34 years old so I remember what life was like without cellphones and the internet, but sadly I did not have that thirst for truth and knowledge as a child that now comes with the maturity of being an adult. So again this got me trying to think about how different my life would be knowing what I know now, in a world that wasn't so technologically shackling. Then it occurred to me! Instead of leveling up my Druid in World of Warcraft I would have been further leveling up myself without all of the distraction and noise. I would have taken more time to look inward and invest in myself on my own journey, rather than in one of these online characters I play in some online fantasy world. My creative visualization and imagination would be max level by now and I would have invested all those points into myself already, instead of half-ass'ing this journey and succumbing to the many distractions and pitfalls along the way...

So here's the big connection I made. We are creating virtual avatars of ourselves to navigate a technologically based and virtual society now. In turn we are creating that world and the experiences in it, much like we do with our physical avatars now in the physical realm. So that got me thinking, what if we didn't have technology and instead focused our energy and intent inward? What if we sharpened our creative ability to visualize and manifest and actually use our imaginations and creative force more? What would we have been able to create? I think we would have created and unlocked that portal to a whole other realm/world were we would finally get in touch with what's powering our physical avatars. You know the version of our higher-self that is controlling our physical-self, that is now oddly just being used to play a game within a game...

Perhaps the bridge to the other world was always in our mind and our way of thinking. After all Hemidall has to fit one of his many keys into the diamond lock before the gate opens to the Bi-Frost...
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Re: Key#1(and a challenge to those with eyes to see)
« Reply #1272 on: May 24, 2017, 04:54:03 AM »
If you've read bits of the CIA Gateway project papers that were recently declassified, you know how confusing it can be, but I thought it was really really fascinating, so I came to an understanding of the "main characters", and how they were involved. It really helps to understand the thing, and the story is a compelling one. I'll just start with the beginning.

In The Gateway Project paper, the writer talks about how he was tasked with creating a scientific and actionable understanding of the already reproducible act of astral projection/remote viewing and things of that nature which had caught the eye of the government in the late 60s and early 70s. It's where those posts about that remote viewer who went to Mars 1 billion years in the past come from.

Anyways, there's this guy named Itzhak Bentov who was the man behind the science behind the organization that would later be turned into Project Gateway (which would later be turned into the movie titled The Men Who Stare at Goats), and he was interesting. He was a very spiritual person, and as such was an accomplished meditator, while also being a mechanical engineer by trade; a "nuts and bolts guy", as he put it. That combination of traits led him to fully understand that there were physical effects that took place in the body of a practiced meditator when they are deep in various states, yet concurrently desire for a rational, logical explanation for it all; it wasn't enough to have it work, he wanted to know exactly why.

The conclusion that he came to, using quite a lot of rigorous methods, was that the body in meditation is acting as a resonator, and that this is accomplished by entraining various normally opposed systems of the body into a more harmonic state.

For example, when the heart pumps blood, it sends a pressure wave through our blood vessels that make their way to our feet and begin to rise again, so as an old pressure wave is making it's way up your leg, it meets a new one, causing an interference pattern like when you throw a bunch of rocks into a calm lake, but through meditation of various sorts, various peoples have throughout time learned to entrain their heart withing specific frequencies that the human body is naturally attuned to, allowing a more uniform and structured wave form, which then begins to entrain other systems of the body, until the hemisphere's of the brain begin to resonate with each other such that (this is where it gets weird) your consciousness begins to then inhabit this resonance rather than inhabiting the two normally-inharmonic hemispheres of the brain at once, creating the much-touted feeling of novel yet powerful unity and oneness, in addition to odd abilities such as traveling out of body.

This burgeoning science was picked up by a Dr. Robert Monroe, who created the subsequent Monroe Institute, who caught the attention of the CIA, who then began to develop it militarily, which, to do so, required a more scientific understanding than "it works and it's reliable like maybe 80% of the time", resulting in the paper about Project Gateway.
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Re: Key#1(and a challenge to those with eyes to see)
« Reply #1273 on: May 24, 2017, 06:26:20 AM »
If you've read bits of the CIA Gateway project papers that were recently declassified, you know how confusing it can be, but I thought it was really really fascinating, so I came to an understanding of the "main characters", and how they were involved. It really helps to understand the thing, and the story is a compelling one. I'll just start with the beginning.

In The Gateway Project paper, the writer talks about how he was tasked with creating a scientific and actionable understanding of the already reproducible act of astral projection/remote viewing and things of that nature which had caught the eye of the government in the late 60s and early 70s. It's where those posts about that remote viewer who went to Mars 1 billion years in the past come from.

Anyways, there's this guy named Itzhak Bentov who was the man behind the science behind the organization that would later be turned into Project Gateway (which would later be turned into the movie titled The Men Who Stare at Goats), and he was interesting. He was a very spiritual person, and as such was an accomplished meditator, while also being a mechanical engineer by trade; a "nuts and bolts guy", as he put it. That combination of traits led him to fully understand that there were physical effects that took place in the body of a practiced meditator when they are deep in various states, yet concurrently desire for a rational, logical explanation for it all; it wasn't enough to have it work, he wanted to know exactly why.

The conclusion that he came to, using quite a lot of rigorous methods, was that the body in meditation is acting as a resonator, and that this is accomplished by entraining various normally opposed systems of the body into a more harmonic state.

For example, when the heart pumps blood, it sends a pressure wave through our blood vessels that make their way to our feet and begin to rise again, so as an old pressure wave is making it's way up your leg, it meets a new one, causing an interference pattern like when you throw a bunch of rocks into a calm lake, but through meditation of various sorts, various peoples have throughout time learned to entrain their heart withing specific frequencies that the human body is naturally attuned to, allowing a more uniform and structured wave form, which then begins to entrain other systems of the body, until the hemisphere's of the brain begin to resonate with each other such that (this is where it gets weird) your consciousness begins to then inhabit this resonance rather than inhabiting the two normally-inharmonic hemispheres of the brain at once, creating the much-touted feeling of novel yet powerful unity and oneness, in addition to odd abilities such as traveling out of body.

This burgeoning science was picked up by a Dr. Robert Monroe, who created the subsequent Monroe Institute, who caught the attention of the CIA, who then began to develop it militarily, which, to do so, required a more scientific understanding than "it works and it's reliable like maybe 80% of the time", resulting in the paper about Project Gateway.

Seems like a guy that ended up knowing too much
'Bentov was killed on May 25, 1979, as a passenger aboard American Airlines Flight 191 that crashed at O'Hare International Airport in Chicago.[10] Moments after takeoff, an engine detached from the plane and tore off part of the wing, sending the plane down. The crash killed all 271 passengers and crew on board and two people on the ground. It is the deadliest single plane crash on U.S. soil to date.

Bentov's daughter, English professor Sharona Ben-Tov Muir, wrote a memoir about her father, The Book of Telling: Tracing the Secrets of My Father’s Lives in 2005. It was not until after his death that she learned about his life in the Israeli Defense Forces and that he had created Israel's first rocket. Searching for answers as to why he never discussed this part of his life, Muir traveled to Israel and researched his years there.'

Flight 191, 1+9+1=11 - May 25 1979, 5+2+5+1+9+7+9=38 - 3+8=11. They really do love their numerology.

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Re: Key#1(and a challenge to those with eyes to see)
« Reply #1274 on: May 24, 2017, 10:59:09 AM »
Someone pointed out that Morodloeth was an anagram of The lodmoor, a nature reserve in Britain. I didn't see anyone pick up on that.


The staging of the anagram Morodlo/eth supports this interpretation.



Jesus, every time I read this thread I am observed very closely...


https://www.rspb.org.uk/reserves-and-events/find-a-reserve/reserves-a-z/reserves-by-name/l/lodmoor/about.aspx