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The Master Board / Re: News, News and News
« Last post by Grass is Green on April 25, 2017, 10:18:01 AM »
Same charges, weirdly the police tracked the cell phone and found him in days. also the nissan rogue has gps.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdny/pr/man-sentenced-transporting-minor-interstate-commerce-engage-illegal-sexual-activity

He was planning to get her into Mexico by taking a boat out of San Diego - the 8th most populated city in the U.S.

I'm skeptical.
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The Master Board / Re: Thread full of easily hypnotized buffoons
« Last post by Sordid on April 25, 2017, 09:52:25 AM »

I'm a firm believer that brevity is the essence of communication.  If you are being misunderstood, perhaps it's time to peel back the circuitous ornamentation and extra words and get to the nuts and bolts of what it is you are trying to convey.   

"The world as it appears to common sense consists of an indefinite number of successive and presumably causally connected events, involving an indefinite number of separate, individual things, lives and thoughts, the whole constituting a presumably orderly cosmos. It is in order to describe, discuss and manage this common-sense universe that human languages have been developed.

"Whenever, for any reason, we wish to think of the world, not as it appears to common sense, but as a continuum, we find that our traditional syntax and vocabulary are quite inadequate. Mathematicians have therefore been compelled to invent radically new symbol-systems for this express purpose. But the divine Ground of all existence is not merely a continuum, it is also out of time, and different, not merely in degree, but in kind from the worlds to which traditional language and the languages of mathematics are adequate. Hence, in all expositions of the Perennial Philosophy, the frequency of paradox, or verbal extravagance, sometimes even of seeming blasphemy. Nobody has yet invented a Spiritual Calculus, in terms of which we may talk coherently about the divine Ground and of the world conceived as its manifestation. For the present, therefore, we must be patient with the linguistic eccentricities of those who are compelled to describe one order of experience in terms of a symbol-system, whose relevance is to the facts of another and quite different order.

"So far, then as a fully adequate expression of the Perennial Philosophy is concerned, there exists a problem in semantics that is finally insoluble. The fact is one which must be steadily borne in mind by all who read its formulations. Only in this way shall we be able to understand even remotely what is being talked about."

- Aldous Huxley, The Perennial Philosophy

Your first paragraph tells me:  Human languages have been developed for the 3D (illusion) world we find ourselves in.

Your second paragraph tells me:  These languages are not suitable for describing the unseen, underlying reality and we must resort to symbolism and metaphor in an attempt to give some idea of it.

Your third paragraph tells me:   This substitution can only ever be partially successful and we should bear that in mind at all times.

Seriously Ambrosius,  This is the 'nuts and bolts' of it.  This is all you needed to say.  I already know this a long time, so I learn nothing new.  All the rest of it (which I'm sure you believe would give me fuller understanding... if only I would study all of it carefully), is the ornamentation. 

I tried.  I studied your words until my eyes watered.   Sorry, but I see only elementary information all decorated up, like a wedding cake.

Personally, I get the feeling the ornamentation makes it more beautiful in a particular way. Gives it more of a "charge" In that words are spells, which the components must be carefully selected for.

All a matter of preference really..
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Since discovering this site NRG has guided me to realizing that it is highly likely I was born as a moon child of the Mormon faith and trained with monarch slave training. Over the past week I have been coming to terms with the perception shattering realization that I was raped by my father as a toddler.

Now this memory is still very fractured and repressed, but I have long suspected it. Not from my own father but that makes the confusion and uncertainty make so much more sense. What is interesting is that traditional monarch training involves brutal incest at 18 months of age. So if I was raped by my father it likely first happened at that age.

I have a photographic memory of everything in my life up until 18 months when the first major blank spot is. What I do remember is going from deeply loving my father to irrationally hating him. But oscillating back and forth because he was still treating me with kindness at times.

My father (and I can attain the medical records and brain scans to prove this) spontaneously died for no known medical reason when I was 3 years old (on the summer solstice a few months after my third birth day to be precise). I used to think it was a brain aneurysm but my mother informed me a few months ago that it wasn't: they don't know what it was. His skull filled with blood and his brain died. The autopsy showed no signs of trauma or aneurysm. The doctor could not explain it.

My father was my handler. I was a monarch slave in the middle of training with no handler. I suspect I accidentally killed him. And so his mother, my grandma, attempted to take up the reigns next. I have vivid memories except of being with my grandma. I have fractured memories of the torture and abuse. I am certain she had other men rape me and perhaps even my own brother.

Once again what I do remember clearly is burning hatred. I wanted her gone just like I wanted my father gone right before he died. Suddenly she fell ill. Despite having not smoked in decades: she developed a rare form of lung cancer and was dead within three months. All I remember was elation at her stuck in the hospital bed, unable to harm me, then at her funeral I remember touching her cold cheek and knowing with full certainty my tormentor was gone.

At this point I left the Mormon church. I know I regularly attended a church with my grandma. I remember attending other churches with other family and friends but I barely remember my grandmas obscure church at all. They hunted me for years. They came to my house every day. They bribed all my friends parents into telling their kids they weren't allowed to play with me any longer unless I rejoined the church (I imagine I was against going back due to all the rape and torture). All my friends told me they were trying to save my soul. I didn't care I was not going back to that church unless someone dragged me there in chains.

I believe they tried a few more times. One was a father figure I had at 15 (retired marine sniper, retired cop). He molested me and attempted to rape me but kneed him in the groin and never trusted him again. Next was a Mormon man who was my best friend for a year. He fell in love with me and moved away probably because his own training broke from me and he became very confused.

There have been a few other handlers. No one can handle me. The only way they can is through torture but then they have a habit of randomly dying. I believe they created a weapon. I am also no where near egotistical enough to think they are afraid of me. They certainly have training inside me they can trigger or drugs they can use to take full control of me. Perhaps they do and that's where those blank spots in my memory are coming from nowadays... if so what missions then am I carrying out? How are they using my magik energy? Or when will they?

They can't control me 24-7. They have tried. But they can use me. I can use me to. I plan to, too. None of this was my choice. I'm not giving up or rolling over. I will do good for humankind and my family if possible.


The truth is they will always be able to find, kill and control me when they really want too. But that puts their handlers at risk so I think they have just given me some space and only bother with me when they really need someone like me or I'm in a convinent place. This is exactly why I moved somewhere rural. I really don't want to be used to commit a murder or act of terror; I just would rather stay out of prison is all...
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The Master Board / Re: Thread full of easily hypnotized buffoons
« Last post by Winds of Change on April 25, 2017, 09:33:09 AM »

I'm a firm believer that brevity is the essence of communication.  If you are being misunderstood, perhaps it's time to peel back the circuitous ornamentation and extra words and get to the nuts and bolts of what it is you are trying to convey.   

"The world as it appears to common sense consists of an indefinite number of successive and presumably causally connected events, involving an indefinite number of separate, individual things, lives and thoughts, the whole constituting a presumably orderly cosmos. It is in order to describe, discuss and manage this common-sense universe that human languages have been developed.

"Whenever, for any reason, we wish to think of the world, not as it appears to common sense, but as a continuum, we find that our traditional syntax and vocabulary are quite inadequate. Mathematicians have therefore been compelled to invent radically new symbol-systems for this express purpose. But the divine Ground of all existence is not merely a continuum, it is also out of time, and different, not merely in degree, but in kind from the worlds to which traditional language and the languages of mathematics are adequate. Hence, in all expositions of the Perennial Philosophy, the frequency of paradox, or verbal extravagance, sometimes even of seeming blasphemy. Nobody has yet invented a Spiritual Calculus, in terms of which we may talk coherently about the divine Ground and of the world conceived as its manifestation. For the present, therefore, we must be patient with the linguistic eccentricities of those who are compelled to describe one order of experience in terms of a symbol-system, whose relevance is to the facts of another and quite different order.

"So far, then as a fully adequate expression of the Perennial Philosophy is concerned, there exists a problem in semantics that is finally insoluble. The fact is one which must be steadily borne in mind by all who read its formulations. Only in this way shall we be able to understand even remotely what is being talked about."

- Aldous Huxley, The Perennial Philosophy

Your first paragraph tells me:  Human languages have been developed for the 3D (illusion) world we find ourselves in.

Your second paragraph tells me:  These languages are not suitable for describing the unseen, underlying reality and we must resort to symbolism and metaphor in an attempt to give some idea of it.

Your third paragraph tells me:   This substitution can only ever be partially successful and we should bear that in mind at all times.

Seriously Ambrosius,  This is the 'nuts and bolts' of it.  This is all you needed to say.  I already know this a long time, so I learn nothing new.  All the rest of it (which I'm sure you believe would give me fuller understanding... if only I would study all of it carefully), is the ornamentation. 

I tried.  I studied your words until my eyes watered.   Sorry, but I see only elementary information all decorated up, like a wedding cake.
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The Master Board / Re: Thread full of easily hypnotized buffoons
« Last post by delethis on April 25, 2017, 09:10:02 AM »
Narcissistic trolls feast on creating conflict between folks who otherwise would have been perfectly compatible. All OP has accomplished is turmoil on our site. I grew up in an n family this is clear as day to me.
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The Master Board / Re: The more words someone needs
« Last post by delethis on April 25, 2017, 09:05:30 AM »
Even if he did not make the post to create ambiguous deeper meaning, it was needliless wordy out of laziness. I do not have the time to wade through the incoherent ramblings of someone who does not respect my time enough to organize and sharpen their arguments or out least express an obvious goal in their statements.
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The Master Board / Re: The more words someone needs
« Last post by delethis on April 25, 2017, 09:02:03 AM »
"I made this one [letter] longer only because I have not had the leisure to make it shorter."

-Pascal
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The Master Board / Re: The more words someone needs
« Last post by Sordid on April 25, 2017, 08:39:40 AM »
Sordid,

You had so much to say and such strongly-worded statements when I ask you some follow-up questions to better understand your position you seem to have vanished.


I cant force anyone to change their perspective. Ive said everything i need to say. Answering you now would just devolve into what it is: a disagreement.

I have much more pressing matters to deal with than reiterate my argument..
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The Master Board / Re: The more words someone needs
« Last post by Winds of Change on April 25, 2017, 08:21:48 AM »
Now I just read through the rest of the thread and my previous post seems superfluous.  Lol

And... I've yet to check back on the Immortal Friend of God's thread to see what he said to my last reply to him.  Oh, the fear and trepidation.   :'( 
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The Master Board / Re: The more words someone needs
« Last post by Winds of Change on April 25, 2017, 08:06:40 AM »
Personally, i can disagree with this in some ways.

How is it that someone can infer EXACTLY what it is you are trying to convey when using as "few" words as possible(for the sake of brevity)? This goes against some of the things YOU have directly suggested we do before NRG.

What about esoteric books? They are hardly easy reads! They take quite a bit of mulling over to truly comprehend, and they are very wordy, yes. But you claim they contain quite a bit of knowledge??

Which is it?

Few words = wisdom

Or

Lengthy, complex reads = wisdom

This is why i dont visit this forum much anymore. You cant tell us two things that oppose one another are both true and expect eyebrows to not be raised?

Hi Sordid.  My take on it, is that there may be a lot of information in a book, which is read at leisure.  Even then, if it is wordy beyond what is needed, then the actual information to be had is less than it might appear.  So even with a dense book, the author should still strive for brevity in delivering that density, so to speak. 

In conversation or exchanges on a site like this, less is more if the words are well chosen.  Comprehension is better in small doses.  So I think there is not really any contradiction between the two things.

You're missing my point. NRG is implying that using few words is always a sign of wisdom. I very much disagree with this.

How does one arrive at the same conclusion as another person based on as few words as possible?

Why not be more wordy? This would logically widen the context, and thus potential minds to be reached in a way they understand things.

Not every mind is the same. I still see a contradiction in NRGs stance.

I'm not missing your point.  I see what you're saying. 

It's not to choose fewer words just for the sake of it.  The least amount of words that will deliver the message effectively is where the wisdom bit comes in.  This might include less used words whose meanings or senses are better suited to the subject.  Double entendre and even ambiguity can sometimes give more fullness to the message as well.

Anyway, I'll step back and watch for a bit, to see what others say.
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