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The Master Board / Re: Watch it play out
« on: May 22, 2017, 11:49:36 PM »
Equating the same validity to feelings as people do to logic is the first step

The Master Board / Re: W.B. Images
« on: May 22, 2017, 11:48:10 PM »
I've been looking into variations among the editions of William Blake's illuminated books and they are clearly present. The paper linked below looks at some of the differences. All of the copies analyzed can be found here:

The overall impression is that these differences were added intentionally and the author seems to think that this was his way of further illuminating his works.  These are a few quotes that support this view.

"Blake intended that "each of his works be unique" and that "these differences" among copies were not "merely accidental [or] unimportant for the 'meaning' of Blake's work."

"Robert Essick, recognizing that "absences become present only through comparison," asks, 'To whom could [Blake] be communicating the message?' "

This sounds a lot like the process of comparing the etchings used in the ninth gate film.
The differences are pretty major. The paper explains one case where the sun in a plate ranges from being present, covered up,  or non-existant depending on the edition. It's going to take a while to go through all these plates.
Here's a list of the order he later suggested the "Songs" be played...Copy "V" in the archive is in this order:

Blake clearly knew what he was doing, and was highlighting them, but the images that show up in the "interference pattern" of symmetrical opposites is not exclusive to him it seems. You can find some amazing images in the symmetrical "white noise" of just about any picture.  DMT users say this is similar to what they see with "machine elves" except with more luminous colors.  Our brains/eyes seem to be wired to prevent conscious perception of it though.....I think the correct symmetrically opposite sounds/images combos are what we are looking for....possibly with a personal touch of some kind?

I accept that

Splice modern art and tell me what symmetrical wonders you get...


But in Quran itself you can find that adultery is permitted as we read in Surah 2:230. "So if a husband divorces his wife (irrevocably), He cannot, after that, re-marry her until after she has married another husband and He has divorced her. In that case there is no blame on either of them if they re-unite, provided they feel that they can keep the limits ordained by Allah. Such are the limits ordained by Allah, which He makes plain to those who understand."

Certainly the word of god would be complete and not leave anything unaddressed, yet the quran isnt even a stand alone text. example: the hadith.

Any muslim will tell you that you need to understand Arabic to fully understand the Quran. The Quran is originally written in Arabic.

-Abraham and Moses did not speak Arabic, neither did Jesus (assuming they all existed). Many prophets before Muhammad did not speak this language
-Shouldnt God exist in more than one language?
-Can an illiterate read Arabic or any other language? So illiterates are not "real" muslims.


What was man created from: blood, clay, dust, or nothing?
"Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood," (96:2).
"We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26).
"The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was," (3:59).
"But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?" (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35).
"He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer! (16:4).

Is there or is there not compulsion in religion according to the Qur'an?
"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things," (2:256).
"And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,--that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith," (9:3).
"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful," (9:5).
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued," (9:29)

The first Muslim was Muhammad? Abraham? Jacob? Moses?
"And I [Muhammad] am commanded to be the first of those who bow to Allah in Islam," (39:12).
"When Moses came to the place appointed by Us, and his Lord addressed him, He said: "O my Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may look upon thee." Allah said: "By no means canst thou see Me (direct); But look upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then shalt thou see Me." When his Lord manifested His glory on the Mount, He made it as dust. And Moses fell down in a swoon. When he recovered his senses he said: "Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in repentance, and I am the first to believe." (7:143).
"And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; "Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the Faith of Islam," (2:132)

Does Allah forgive or not forgive those who worship false gods?
Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed," (4:48).  Also 4:116
The people of the Book ask thee to cause a book to descend to them from heaven: Indeed they asked Moses for an even greater (miracle), for they said: "Show us Allah in public," but they were dazed for their presumption, with thunder and lightning. Yet they worshipped the calf even after clear signs had come to them; even so we forgave them; and gave Moses manifest proofs of authority," (4:153).

Are Allah's decrees changed or not?
"Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers," (6:34).
"The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all, (6:115).
None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?" (2:106).
When We substitute one revelation for another,- and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages),- they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not," (16:101).

Was Pharaoh killed or not killed by drowning?
"We took the Children of Israel across the sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them in insolence and spite. At length, when overwhelmed with the flood, he said: "I believe that there is no god except Him Whom the Children of Israel believe in: I am of those who submit (to Allah in Islam). (It was said to him): "Ah now!- But a little while before, wast thou in rebellion!- and thou didst mischief (and violence)!  This day shall We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!" (10:90-92).
Moses said, "Thou knowest well that these things have been sent down by none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth as eye-opening evidence: and I consider thee indeed, O Pharaoh, to be one doomed to destruction!"  So he resolved to remove them from the face of the earth: but We did drown him and all who were with him," (17:102-103).

Is wine consumption good or bad?
O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,--of Satan's handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper," (5:90).
(Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?" (47:15).
Truly the Righteous will be in Bliss: On Thrones (of Dignity) will they command a sight (of all things): Thou wilt recognize in their faces the beaming brightness of Bliss. Their thirst will be slaked with Pure Wine sealed," (83:22-25).

Seekr:Oh, I really wasn't here to discuss my religion in the first place.

As I said, unfortunately, i'm not delved in it enough to start debates here, but I see that english translations of Qoran can not tell the True meaning of it, I skimmed quickly trough what you wrote and didn't see any contradiction in your 1st example! and the last one too.. just to answer the first one, after divorce she must marry someone else, before she can be married back to her 1st husband.. what's hard here to understand? last one, it is really easy, I don't know why you couldn't get it

Wine is Haram (Forbidden) in life -- and Totally okay in heaven. That description of the verse is about rivers of wine in heaven! No contradictions here. It is a different place where you have a different body, and you have won/passed the exam, so the wine now is a reward.

Anyone versed in religion will answer those questions with ease and convince you about it, but trust me, i'm not here to debate a particular religion, i'm here to I seek the truth of life, I have an open mind, I like conspiracy theories, I feel and know for sure that there is something very wrong about life or at least the way we live it, there is a lot of secrets hidden from humanity! There are elites out there controlling from behind the curtains, I have good knowledge about theories, and i'm here to piece them together!

 I read the whole (Key 1 challenge) thread you posted in ONE GO, 85 pages, and what a big disapointment it was :D nor me or anyone on it could get out with something solid, useful. Yes we learned a lot trying to decipher that jibberish (I know about the journey more important than destination.. and stuff) but for what? can you follow me here!

So my big request is, can you point me in the right direction about that thread? How can someone get enlightened using some "website" in a couple of hours/days as you said? can you tell me which website is that? or how you can open portals from websites, that's big! Is this even true nick?


"Im not here to debate"

Proceeds to

If you took those conclusiona from key one, for you, it is non existant.


Just in case the tiger decides to put on a lamb coat outside....

Most of you may not know as he's brand new, but we have a new member named Seekr.

This is Seekr introducing himself:

Hi man

Been a lurker here on the last couple of days, found some great insighs, even though it's pretty hard to piece to picture together

I've been interested on the conspiracy thing on and off over the years. And always was fascinated with the idea of using that knowledge in a practical way, for example, making money!

I asked Grass how he did use elliot waves on stock markets!!!

Because I lost so much money on financial markets, especially forex, and of course I used the elliot waves, just like a lot of traders.. but it is just another bunk strategy just like the hundred of financial market strategies. They don't work!

But that's normal, because if they did, why not everyone is a billionaire by now :D ? hence less than 3% make it on the long term trading (stocks, etc)

So Nick, can you shed any gems here :D any other esoteric/mystical stuff I can use to make money? magical uses to increase sales? convince people? tuning with the cosmos/records, to know direction of a particular stock :D ? it would be too good to be true, but who knows! if you can only be more than 50% right, you'll make ton of $$$.

On another note, in one of your replies you said that ego is an alien, and that is exactly ring with the Quran. I'm muslim, and we believe that everyone has an entity/Djinn glued to him :D 24h/24h, called Qareen, its entire purpose is whispering to you, to make you do bad deeds.. and to keep your head full of racing thoughts.

Looking forward for your reply, Regards.

this is my reply:  Hello and welcome.

So first, understand ALL markets are rigged games, none of the elite gamble on an outcome that isnt already predetermined, the trick is accessing the same information they get. Buy Northrop Grumman, than sell 2 weeks after they merge with lockheed(it may be a quicker turnaround, ill update you if so, but major regression wont occur until one or two splits about 10 trading days or so) 

Money is worthless, the reason people stay poor is they are hoarding paper which is in itself, debt. I was a bullion broker, stock broker and precious metals dealer for almost 2 decades and not one of my high net worth clients had more than 10% of their assets "liquid"(paper money) It was almost all in land, oil, gold, silver etc.. TANGIBLE assets.

Buy silver now. it doesnt matter its at 16 and it was at 12 6 months ago. any price 25 and under is just fine. The world silver survey for 2017 just reported they are mining 886 million oz of silver a year, but securities exchanges sell over 159 billion oz/year. Think about THAT for a second. Thats a 517:1 paper to physical ratio

gold is SLIGHTLY better off with a 233:1 paper to physical ratio.

You can only juggle for so long before you have to put the balls down.

The truth no one wants to hear though, no matter how much information i provide here, you will never accumulate wealth until you align your intention with your actions.  CHasing money is the surest way to be broke. find something you are passionate about and do that. Even when it gets hard, even when it seems like you're failing, the universe is testing your resolve. Stay with it and you will have more than you ever need.

I understand this place can be a bit confusing at first, so if you have any questions or need anything feel free to ask me(or anyone else here, they're all wonderful and helpful) anything at any time for any reason.

Also, Ive always admired the Islamic faith, although like many religions its been coopted and perverted. You and I (like many other regulars here) may disagree from time to time on things, and not only is it ok, I encourage it, just keep in mind, I am never speaking about individuals, but collectives. I am familiar with the Djinn, are you familiar with djwal Khul?, its the entity that spurred the notion of the djinn in early islamic faith.

I dont want to run before we're walking but all 3 abrahamic faiths are actually the same religion, not something i expect anyone to believe right off the bat, but in time I can and will show you...

Again welcome and Im looking forward to your contributions here.

Hey thanks very much for the quick reply, great insights, much appreciated.

Without reading your biography or Ama, I kinda knew that you have good knowledge about the financial stuff, it turned out that was your career :D

I agree with you on the markets are rigged, and highly efficient! Without insider info, you'll lose longterm. No technical or fundamental bullshit can acurately predict the markets! But getting the inside info is impossible for 99.99% of us!

I agree on the paper money being worthless, but the thing is, if you put all your savings on a commodity, lets say OIL, a couple of years ago, you're screwed, because it is down now and I don't think, it will ever go up to what is used to be!
That's the problem with investing! But I thinks Gold/Silver will just keep going up in the longterm no matter what.

Never heard of Khul, to be honest i'm not a practical Muslim, but I can't see how he could spurr the Djinn notion, since it's been mentioned extensively on the Quran, so all muslims beleieve in them from early days.

And yes we know that the 3 Abrahamic religions are the same, we have the same only God, and we believe and respect greatly all the other prophets (Abraham, Jesus, etc). The thing is, those 2 last holy books ( Taorat & Bible ) were twisted/corrupted, and that's why Allah send a last true prophet to humanity, Mohamed peace upon him, to bring us the last true message and holy  book the Quran which CAN'T be twisted like the formers, and now, this is really interesting because it's been thousand and half year now, and indeed, any Quran you'll find will be identical to another Quran in a different part of the globe! THEY couldn't twist it this time. So now you have a proof that Islam, or at least the core of it (Quran) isn't coopted and perverted as you said, but the other 2 are :D

I appreciate your timely response, we'll save the theological debate for another time, but i suggest you read early translations of the quran and search for inconstencies, not just the torah, but the talmud as well as the bible, all have had the truth within them parsed,distorted and misaligned to create a certain mentality in people.

That being said, conspiracy forums arent generally where people go looking for financial gain. Is there something else you seek?

The revelation of the Quran was not an isolated event in time. It was a constant stream of verses descending to Muhammad. throughout the 23 years of his prophethood in Makkah and Madinah. The Prophet  appointed numerous Companions of his to serve as scribes, writing down the latest verses as soon as they were revealed. Mu’awiya ibn Abu Sufyan and Zaid bin Thabit were among the scribes who had this duty. For the most part, new verses would be written on scraps of bone, hide, or parchment, since paper had not yet been imported from China. It is important to note that Muhammad would have the scribes read back the verses to him after writing them down so he can proofread and make sure there were no errors.

To further ensure that there were no errors, Muhammad ﷺ ordered that no one records anything else, not even his words, hadith, on the same sheet as Quran. Regarding the sheets that the Quran was being written down on, he stated “and whoever has written anything from me other than the Quran should erase it”2. This was done to ensure that no other words were accidentally thought to be part of the text of the Quran.

It is important to understand, however, that physical writing down of the Quran was not the main way that the Quran was recorded. Arabia in the 600s was an oral society. Very few people could read and write, thus huge emphasis was placed on ability to memorize long poems, letters, and other messages. Before Islam, Makkah was a center of Arabic poetry. Annual festivals were held every year that brought together the best poets from all over the Arabian Peninsula. Exuberant attendees would memorize the exact words that their favorite poets recited and quote them years and decades later.

Thus, in this type of oral society, the vast majority of the Companions learned and recorded the Quran by memorization. In addition to their natural ability to memorize, the rhythmic nature of the Quran made its memorization much easier.

The Quran was not narrated to just a few select Companions. It was heard and memorized by hundreds and thousands of people, many of them travelers to Madinah. Thus, chapters and verses of the Quran quickly spread during the life of the Prophet ﷺ to all corners of the Arabian Peninsula. Those who had heard verses from the Prophet ﷺ would go and spread them to tribes far away, who would also memorize them. In this way, the Quran achieved a literary status known among the Arabs as mutawatir. Mutawatir means that it was so vastly disseminated to so many different groups of people, who all had the same exact wording, that it is inconceivable that that any one person or group could have falsified it. Some sayings of the Prophet ﷺ are known to be authentic through it being mutawatir, but the entire Quran itself is accepted as being mutawatir, because of its wide spread during the life of the Prophet ﷺ through oral means.

Also rather well known is the fact that Ubay ibn Ka'b was in possession of a copy of the Quran, which was markedly different.

Ubay is claimed to have remarked that, he had taken these words from the mouth of Muhammed himself and that he would not leave (renounce, disregard) them for anything.

So here again we have a clear example of a different version of the Qur’an existing. It should be noted that Ubay was an extremely well regard authority on the Qur’an.

I tell you this not to dissuade you from your beliefs but rather to ignite your passion for the truth you already worship.

One contradiction in the quran, which by islams own logic invalidates it as the word of good. I could and have done this with any holy book, but you claim the quran to be true so here you are

Quran sometimes condemns sin but on the other side gives green flag to commit sin

Quran says in Surah 17:32-34. "Nor come nigh to adultery: for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils). Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given his heir authority (to demand qisas or to forgive): but let him nor exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by the Law). Come not nigh to the orphan's property except to improve it, until he attains the age of full strength; and fulfil (every) engagement, for (every) engagement will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning)."

The Master Board / Re: W.B. Images
« on: May 22, 2017, 11:36:12 PM »
I've been looking into variations among the editions of William Blake's illuminated books and they are clearly present. The paper linked below looks at some of the differences. All of the copies analyzed can be found here:

The overall impression is that these differences were added intentionally and the author seems to think that this was his way of further illuminating his works.  These are a few quotes that support this view.

"Blake intended that "each of his works be unique" and that "these differences" among copies were not "merely accidental [or] unimportant for the 'meaning' of Blake's work."

"Robert Essick, recognizing that "absences become present only through comparison," asks, 'To whom could [Blake] be communicating the message?' "

This sounds a lot like the process of comparing the etchings used in the ninth gate film.
The differences are pretty major. The paper explains one case where the sun in a plate ranges from being present, covered up,  or non-existant depending on the edition. It's going to take a while to go through all these plates.

For now focus on songs of innocence and experience.

The Master Board / Re: W.B. Images
« on: May 22, 2017, 01:28:50 PM »

btw WHY is the C in F A C E incorrect?

Rethinking this...... clef means "key" in French.... Bass = low key / Treble = high key? Is it possible to turn Blake's poems into a "Grand Staff" of music?

The low key and high key references remind me of this quote given by  Africanus the Elder in a vision to Africanus the Younger about Pythagoras's concept of the "music of the spheres":

"That is produced by the onward rush and motion of the spheres themselves; the intervals between them, though unequal, being exactly arranged in a fixed proportion, by an agreeable blending of high and low tones various harmonies are produced. For such mighty motions cannot be carried on so swiftly in silence; and Nature has provided that one extreme shall produce low tones while the other gives forth high. Therefore this uppermost sphere of heaven, which bears the starts, as it revolves more rapidly, produces a high, shrill tone, whereas the lowest revolving sphere, that of the moon, gives forth the lowest tone. For the earthly sphere, the ninth, remains ever motionless and stationary in its position in the center of the universe; but the other eight spheres, two of which move with the same velocity, produce seven different sounds – a number that is the key of almost everything"

Also, it's thought that the muses and three Graces in the picture in the paper linked below correspond to notes in the musical scale. Maybe the geocentric model of the spheres has less to do with a representation of the Earth and planets and is more akin to the metaphorical representation of Man in alchemy.  The alchemists refer to Man (I think the spiritual aspects) by using metals which are also represented as the planets.
Some interesting quotes from a web site I'm looking at:

"Again, it should be noted that although there are contemporary notes that approximate the Solfeggio tones, they are not the same frequencies as the ancient tones. Example: The Solfeggio tone, Mi. vibrates to 528 Hz. The closest, comparable, contemporary tone is C, above Middle C, which vibrates at 512 Hz."

"Some scientists are now stating that if we have been created, we most likely would have been sung into existence. Is it possible that the six days of creation mentioned in Genesis represent six fundamental frequencies that underlie the universe?"

"Everyone of the six Solfeggio Tuning Forks all add up, individually to the Pythagorean scheme of 3-6-9. In fact, because there are two sets of 3-6-9 (anagrams) in the solfeggio, they are even more powerful as these combinations serve as "portals" to other dimensions!"

This is one of two references in the past few days to 9 portals. The other was in the Descent of Odin text. The 9 gates are what we pass through in order to experience the physical realm, perhaps? And perhaps that is the path back to morodloeth?

Remember the johnny depp movie?

How did he find the 9th gate?

Now look at blakes copper etchings

The Master Board / Re: Twin Peaks is back(Damn fine coffee)
« on: May 22, 2017, 01:27:24 PM »
I'llll seee yooou in twwwenty-fiiiveee yyyears.


You reference Twin Peaks extenisively, nrg. I know it gives a good insight into the satanist/controllers mindset, but I don't get how it describes the broader reality we're living in.

Start with the black lodge and white lodge and the military investigation of both.

Essentially Lynch, in the vaguest possible way, is laying bare the truth of magick as the operational force of the world power structure

The Master Board / Re: News, News and News
« on: May 22, 2017, 01:15:14 PM »
Didnt obama go to the wall also?

The Master Board / Twin Peaks is back(Damn fine coffee)
« on: May 22, 2017, 12:38:59 PM »
I wont say much yet in case some of you want to see it but havent yet, but wow, the symbolism was as in your face as Ive ever seen in the first episode. Lynch came out swinging. I bet this show will get maligned by critics. "weird for its own sake" "lynch's narcissism ruined his golden goose" etc...

The Master Board / Re: News, News and News
« on: May 22, 2017, 11:21:48 AM »
The truth is perhaps much less interesting. The trio of world leaders were actually taking part in the opening ceremony for the Global Center for Combating Extremist Ideology in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.

thats a quote from samalyuca's link,

That is literally the ONLY text attempting to explain what the hell is going on there.

Oh well "opening ceremony" for a "anti extremist center" well shit that says it all, case closed huh guys

The Master Board / Re: WTF pics/videos
« on: May 22, 2017, 11:12:32 AM »
Did anyone hear about the guy who injected human sperm into a chicken egg?

Here he is feeding it

there are some russian homunclus videos that are somewhat compelling

The Master Board / Re: W.B. Images
« on: May 21, 2017, 10:47:41 PM »
To understand why Plato was absured you need to know why socrates was amazing.

To understand Blake you need to know who mentored him

Did you mean Plato was absurd? I always considered him to have a more mystical approach to philosophy while Aristotle and Socrates had a more pragmatic one.

In the other thread I mentioned that Swedenborg was a major influence in William Blake's works. Is this the mentor you are talking about? If not, I'll have to look into his background more.

Yes, absurd. Sorry about that. Are you familiar with the stories of Plato and diogenes?

Plato emphasized the idea over the real. And as such his followers were doomed to flounce in the world for which they had no tools to deal with.

The Master Board / Re: W.B. Images
« on: May 21, 2017, 10:20:39 PM »
To understand why Plato was absured you need to know why socrates was amazing.

To understand Blake you need to know who mentored him

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