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freedom is slavery is a reference to 1984.

the idea is that we are so comfy in our freedom that we do not realize we are slaves.

The best prison is one without bars. We are free do to what ever we want, most even have the resources to do so especially if you live in the states and yet people decide to stay discontent and simply complain about how things are instead of doing the physical action required for change.
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it looks like i supplanted my own meaning in yhat one too.
its been sort of a long week boy oh boy
any way here is how the book them throws the meaning:

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war is peace
freedom is slavery
ignorance is strength

These words are the official slogans of the Party, and are inscribed in massive letters on the white pyramid of the Ministry of Truth, as Winston observes in Book One, Chapter I. Because it is introduced so early in the novel, this creed serves as the reader’s first introduction to the idea of doublethink. By weakening the independence and strength of individuals’ minds and forcing them to live in a constant state of propaganda-induced fear, the Party is able to force its subjects to accept anything it decrees, even if it is entirely illogical—for instance, the Ministry of Peace is in charge of waging war, the Ministry of Love is in charge of political torture, and the Ministry of Truth is in charge of doctoring history books to reflect the Party’s ideology.

That the national slogan of Oceania is equally contradictory is an important testament to the power of the Party’s mass campaign of psychological control. In theory, the Party is able to maintain that “War Is Peace” because having a common enemy keeps the people of Oceania united. “Freedom Is Slavery” because, according to the Party, the man who is independent is doomed to fail. By the same token, “Slavery Is Freedom,” because the man subjected to the collective will is free from danger and want. “Ignorance Is Strength” because the inability of the people to recognize these contradictions cements the power of the authoritarian regime.

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btw bigblue i think you are correct

the war between the hybrids.

i think its still dumb though haha

cant we just put farms on the chessboard?
or create a different plane?

backed into a corner then its fight or die i guess

not an optimal position in

for the aggressor
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could have swore i wrote war is peace sonewhere around here.

oh well

freedom is slavery

Isn’t that the truth! What an upside down world it is- living through the looking glass...

If you aren't free to get mad and wage war with another person or group then you are a slave but by definition, there is no master without the slave.

I guess my point there is who needs who? Isn't slavery in all its forms consensual?

is that your trust fund talking Watchers?

I think what he's getting at is that it is consensual since a slave could always revolt. 'Why don't slaves just all rise up?'
or leave?

Sure, you could run away. However, won't you continually ask yourself about those you left behind?
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could have swore i wrote war is peace sonewhere around here.

oh well

freedom is slavery

Isn’t that the truth! What an upside down world it is- living through the looking glass...

If you aren't free to get mad and wage war with another person or group then you are a slave but by definition, there is no master without the slave.

I guess my point there is who needs who? Isn't slavery in all its forms consensual?

is that your trust fund talking Watchers?

I think what he's getting at is that it is consensual since a slave could always revolt. 'Why don't slaves just all rise up?'
or leave?

Sure, you could run away. However, won't you continually ask yourself about those you left behind?

bring them with you or create a different reality together is like leaving.
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could have swore i wrote war is peace sonewhere around here.

oh well

freedom is slavery

Isn’t that the truth! What an upside down world it is- living through the looking glass...

If you aren't free to get mad and wage war with another person or group then you are a slave but by definition, there is no master without the slave.

I guess my point there is who needs who? Isn't slavery in all its forms consensual?

is that your trust fund talking Watchers?

I think what he's getting at is that it is consensual since a slave could always revolt. 'Why don't slaves just all rise up?'
or leave?

Sure, you could run away. However, won't you continually ask yourself about those you left behind?

bring them with you or create a different reality together is like leaving.

Nothing is beyond their reach
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could have swore i wrote war is peace sonewhere around here.

oh well

freedom is slavery

Isn’t that the truth! What an upside down world it is- living through the looking glass...

If you aren't free to get mad and wage war with another person or group then you are a slave but by definition, there is no master without the slave.

I guess my point there is who needs who? Isn't slavery in all its forms consensual?

is that your trust fund talking Watchers?

I think what he's getting at is that it is consensual since a slave could always revolt. 'Why don't slaves just all rise up?'
or leave?

Sure, you could run away. However, won't you continually ask yourself about those you left behind?

bring them with you or create a different reality together is like leaving.

Nothing is beyond their reach
actually im starting to get that feeling.

i think this is the point of the I cant breath meme.

its so sad

how many are buying into the entitlment class.

in venezuela it was all about class.

i actually do kot know if race mattered but my frirnd had told me it was very dangerous to be middle class when Chavez came to power. the multitude was lower class and they could literally take pretty much anything they wanted.

the weather underground has been training sown there with William Heirs

are they going to pish this to the brink do you think?

do they think they have a chance?
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like a letter from heaven i ran into this ladt night.

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i know its long but give it five minutes and see where it takes you.

later he goes deep into ego too.

im only half way through it
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my apogies Wartchers i did read you short.

i am anti war as you know and i see the dividing of sides as a simulation exercise.

as much as i dislike simulation theory on the macro level

we are certainly in many micro simulations run by eachother and elires.

so why play into their game?

It appears that they (as in TPTB) are the only ones who are willing to and know how to run a society.

Is it really 'their' game or are they simply ones who know how to play it, not to mention even know that there is a game going on? They know there is a game going on so they know there are rules to it. Because they know the rules they know which ones can be bent and which ones can be broken. Because they know that much they can seemingly effortlessly play and shift the balance in their favor, eventually getting what they want.

How many of the masses know the rules to the game, not to mention that there even is one being played?

reminds me of this scene
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It appears that they (as in TPTB) are the only ones who are willing to and know how to run a society.

Is it really 'their' game or are they simply ones who know how to play it, not to mention even know that there is a game going on? They know there is a game going on so they know there are rules to it. Because they know the rules they know which ones can be bent and which ones can be broken. Because they know that much they can seemingly effortlessly play and shift the balance in their favor, eventually getting what they want.

How many of the masses know the rules to the game, not to mention that there even is one being played?
From the odd secret thread:
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larcen tyler was a renegade member of the dupont family who felt that it
wasn't fair to play a game when 99 percent of the participants were
unaware a game was a foot, nevermind the rules.
he "redistributed" his families wealth in a very direct fashion..
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could have swore i wrote war is peace sonewhere around here.

oh well

freedom is slavery

Isn’t that the truth! What an upside down world it is- living through the looking glass...

If you aren't free to get mad and wage war with another person or group then you are a slave but by definition, there is no master without the slave.

I guess my point there is who needs who? Isn't slavery in all its forms consensual?

is that your trust fund talking Watchers?

I think what he's getting at is that it is consensual since a slave could always revolt. 'Why don't slaves just all rise up?'
or leave?

Sure, you could run away. However, won't you continually ask yourself about those you left behind?
I apollogies for not getting back to you for a few days but i have one more point to make regarding this and that is that the fog of war contains incalculable destruction meyham and loss.

My great grandfather fought in the trenches of WW1

he carried a 50 cal around.

my grandmother told me that the only time she ever saw her father cry was after Pearl Harbor as he watched out the window as young men boys really lined up, excited to go to war.

He said, "That bastard Roosevelt!  Those boys have no idea what they are getting themselves into..."

I may be devoud of such horror in my life and i would like to keep it that way.

all wars are bankers wars.

especially "civil" ones.
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could have swore i wrote war is peace sonewhere around here.

oh well

freedom is slavery

Isn’t that the truth! What an upside down world it is- living through the looking glass...

If you aren't free to get mad and wage war with another person or group then you are a slave but by definition, there is no master without the slave.

I guess my point there is who needs who? Isn't slavery in all its forms consensual?

is that your trust fund talking Watchers?

I think what he's getting at is that it is consensual since a slave could always revolt. 'Why don't slaves just all rise up?'
or leave?

Sure, you could run away. However, won't you continually ask yourself about those you left behind?
I apollogies for not getting back to you for a few days but i have one more point to make regarding this and that is that the fog of war contains incalculable destruction meyham and loss.

My great grandfather fought in the trenches of WW1

he carried a 50 cal around.

my grandmother told me that the only time she ever saw her father cry was after Pearl Harbor as he watched out the window as young men boys really lined up, excited to go to war.

He said, "That bastard Roosevelt!  Those boys have no idea what they are getting themselves into..."

I may be devoud of such horror in my life and i would like to keep it that way.

all wars are bankers wars.

especially "civil" ones.

Might be a lot, assuming what your grandfather was thinking/saying here, but I believe you are witness to far worse atrocities. It's the lie he was talking about - not only the actual battles fought. The lie is larger than ever. Now the wars are fought not with 50 cal's but with your food, your air, your water, and your tv and phone screens.
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could have swore i wrote war is peace sonewhere around here.

oh well

freedom is slavery

Isn’t that the truth! What an upside down world it is- living through the looking glass...

If you aren't free to get mad and wage war with another person or group then you are a slave but by definition, there is no master without the slave.

I guess my point there is who needs who? Isn't slavery in all its forms consensual?

is that your trust fund talking Watchers?

I think what he's getting at is that it is consensual since a slave could always revolt. 'Why don't slaves just all rise up?'
or leave?

Sure, you could run away. However, won't you continually ask yourself about those you left behind?

bring them with you or create a different reality together is like leaving.

Nothing is beyond their reach

yes im sure they know where yo find me
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could have swore i wrote war is peace sonewhere around here.

oh well

freedom is slavery

Isn’t that the truth! What an upside down world it is- living through the looking glass...

If you aren't free to get mad and wage war with another person or group then you are a slave but by definition, there is no master without the slave.

I guess my point there is who needs who? Isn't slavery in all its forms consensual?

is that your trust fund talking Watchers?

I think what he's getting at is that it is consensual since a slave could always revolt. 'Why don't slaves just all rise up?'
or leave?

Sure, you could run away. However, won't you continually ask yourself about those you left behind?
I apollogies for not getting back to you for a few days but i have one more point to make regarding this and that is that the fog of war contains incalculable destruction meyham and loss.

My great grandfather fought in the trenches of WW1

he carried a 50 cal around.

my grandmother told me that the only time she ever saw her father cry was after Pearl Harbor as he watched out the window as young men boys really lined up, excited to go to war.

He said, "That bastard Roosevelt!  Those boys have no idea what they are getting themselves into..."

I may be devoud of such horror in my life and i would like to keep it that way.

all wars are bankers wars.

especially "civil" ones.

Might be a lot, assuming what your grandfather was thinking/saying here, but I believe you are witness to far worse atrocities. It's the lie he was talking about - not only the actual battles fought. The lie is larger than ever. Now the wars are fought not with 50 cal's but with your food, your air, your water, and your tv and phone screens.

yes the lie surrounds and pervades.

rebellion is just the other side of the coin.

duality... so much fun

the revolution wont be televised
but the rebellion will be.
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could have swore i wrote war is peace sonewhere around here.

oh well

freedom is slavery

Isn’t that the truth! What an upside down world it is- living through the looking glass...

If you aren't free to get mad and wage war with another person or group then you are a slave but by definition, there is no master without the slave.

I guess my point there is who needs who? Isn't slavery in all its forms consensual?

is that your trust fund talking Watchers?

I think what he's getting at is that it is consensual since a slave could always revolt. 'Why don't slaves just all rise up?'
or leave?

Sure, you could run away. However, won't you continually ask yourself about those you left behind?

bring them with you or create a different reality together is like leaving.

Nothing is beyond their reach

If nothing is beyond their reach or awareness then you'd think this should also be the same with 'us'. So why haven't more people who are against what they are doing attempted to reach into their 'territory'?

It appears the majority of the masses have been made passive at least to the point where they aren't bothered until scholmo comes physically knocking on their door with the joggers as their soldiers. They may have mentally already invaded the private lives and houses of the people but its not an issue until they physically appear.
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