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Title: Does it Really All Revolve Around the Serpent vs. the Eagle?
Post by: BigBlue1982 on September 10, 2020, 04:46:17 AM
Is everything a war between these two factions? Is this part of the reason for the chaos that were witnessing now during the birth pains of 2020?

Serpent = Enki represented by the Greeks as Poseidon. The Serpent represents fertility and is thus symbolized as an umbilical cord that joins all humans to Mother Earth, thus Poseidon is the Lord of the Earth and the Oceans.

Eagle = Enlil represented by the Greeks as Zeus. The Eagle symbolizes warring power and domain over the skies, thus Zeus is the Lord of the Air.

As Nick has said before in the past the Elite love to invert knowledge and truth. Could it be that the Serpent faction were/are actually the good guys?

The cultures that worshiped the serpent were mostly pagans, Mesoamerican Natives, and Asians who had acquired ancient serpent knowledge. Could the symbolism of the past be the tell-tale mark of the present?

Throughout history the cultures that worshiped the eagle waged war against the cultures that held that still held and practice the knowledge of the serpent. We see this with the conquistadors that destroyed the cultures of the Aztec and Incan's of Mexico and Peru that worshiped the plumed serpents- Quetzalcoatl and Kukulkan. St. Patrick's day is celebrated every year, but do we know what were celebrating? Ireland was historically a pagan land that practiced ancient serpent knowledge. St. Patrick supposedly kicked out all the "snakes" out of Ireland. Did Ireland really ever have any snakes? Or was this simply a metaphor for ridding the land of pagans who once protected the serpent/snake knowledge...

Did the ancient serpent knowledge stem from Atlantis?  We find in Phœnician legends that Poseidon himself was the founder and king of Atlantis. When Atlantis fell the serpent knowledge was given to Egypt as a kingdom to the god Taaut, who had invented the alphabet. The Egyptians called him Thoth, and he was represented among them as "the god of letters, the clerk of the under-world," Thoth is believed to be the Greek equivalent to Hermes who incidentally is "Messenger God". a God of diplomacy, travel, commence, invention and wisdom. These sound like all the right traits to have as God, who would carry forward with him the ancient serpent knowledge of Atlantis to restart a new civilization in Egypt. This is where the term "Hermetic Teachings come from". It should also be noted that Hermes carried a caduceus- a winged staff with two snakes wrapped around it. The wings and serpents could represent the knowledge of the plumed serpent in which he carried with him.

The plain of Atlantis, Plato tells us, "had been cultivated during many ages by many generations of kings." If, as we believe, agriculture, the domestication of the horse, ox, sheep, goat, and bog, and the discovery or development of wheat, oats, rye, and barley originated in this region of Atlantis, then this language of Plato in reference to "the many ages, and the successive generations of kings," accords with the great periods of time which were necessary to bring man from a savage to a civilized condition.

In the great ditch surrounding the whole land like a circle, and into which streams flowed down from the mountains, we probably see the original of the four rivers of Paradise, and the emblem of the cross surrounded by a circle, which was the earliest form in pre-Christian ages, accepted as the emblem of the Garden of Eden. If one could conclude that the original Garden of Eden was in fact in Atlantis, then was the serpent who attempted to tempt and deceive Eve actually trying to warn her instead? In the secret book of John from the Gnostic Nag Hammadi library, the serpent was actually trying to help protect Eve from the Archons...

Speaking of the inversion of knowledge and symbolism, what associations come to mind when we think of a serpent and an eagle?
Eagle= Freedom and strength. Only in reality it's conquest, domination, and war.
Serpent= Deception, temptation, and sin. Or so at least we've been told....
Title: Re: Does it Really All Revolve Around the Serpent vs. the Eagle?
Post by: The Watchers Recurrence on September 10, 2020, 06:00:24 AM
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Is everything a war between these two factions? Is this part of the reason for the chaos that were witnessing now during the birth pains of 2020?

Serpent = Enki represented by the Greeks as Poseidon. The Serpent represents fertility and is thus symbolized as an umbilical cord that joins all humans to Mother Earth, thus Poseidon is the Lord of the Earth and the Oceans.

Eagle = Enlil represented by the Greeks as Zeus. The Eagle symbolizes warring power and domain over the skies, thus Zeus is the Lord of the Air.

As Nick has said before in the past the Elite love to invert knowledge and truth. Could it be that the Serpent faction were/are actually the good guys?

The cultures that worshiped the serpent were mostly pagans, Mesoamerican Natives, and Asians who had acquired ancient serpent knowledge. Could the symbolism of the past be the tell-tale mark of the present?

Throughout history the cultures that worshiped the eagle waged war against the cultures that held that still held and practice the knowledge of the serpent. We see this with the conquistadors that destroyed the cultures of the Aztec and Incan's of Mexico and Peru that worshiped the plumed serpents- Quetzalcoatl and Kukulkan. St. Patrick's day is celebrated every year, but do we know what were celebrating? Ireland was historically a pagan land that practiced ancient serpent knowledge. St. Patrick supposedly kicked out all the "snakes" out of Ireland. Did Ireland really ever have any snakes? Or was this simply a metaphor for ridding the land of pagans who once protected the serpent/snake knowledge...

Did the ancient serpent knowledge stem from Atlantis?  We find in Phúnician legends that Poseidon himself was the founder and king of Atlantis. When Atlantis fell the serpent knowledge was given to Egypt as a kingdom to the god Taaut, who had invented the alphabet. The Egyptians called him Thoth, and he was represented among them as "the god of letters, the clerk of the under-world," Thoth is believed to be the Greek equivalent to Hermes who incidentally is "Messenger God". a God of diplomacy, travel, commence, invention and wisdom. These sound like all the right traits to have as God, who would carry forward with him the ancient serpent knowledge of Atlantis to restart a new civilization in Egypt. This is where the term "Hermetic Teachings come from". It should also be noted that Hermes carried a caduceus- a winged staff with two snakes wrapped around it. The wings and serpents could represent the knowledge of the plumed serpent in which he carried with him.

The plain of Atlantis, Plato tells us, "had been cultivated during many ages by many generations of kings." If, as we believe, agriculture, the domestication of the horse, ox, sheep, goat, and bog, and the discovery or development of wheat, oats, rye, and barley originated in this region of Atlantis, then this language of Plato in reference to "the many ages, and the successive generations of kings," accords with the great periods of time which were necessary to bring man from a savage to a civilized condition.

In the great ditch surrounding the whole land like a circle, and into which streams flowed down from the mountains, we probably see the original of the four rivers of Paradise, and the emblem of the cross surrounded by a circle, which was the earliest form in pre-Christian ages, accepted as the emblem of the Garden of Eden. If one could conclude that the original Garden of Eden was in fact in Atlantis, then was the serpent who attempted to tempt and deceive Eve actually trying to warn her instead? In the secret book of John from the Gnostic Nag Hammadi library, the serpent was actually trying to help protect Eve from the Archons...

Speaking of the inversion of knowledge and symbolism, what associations come to mind when we think of a serpent and an eagle?
Eagle= Freedom and strength. Only in reality it's conquest, domination, and war.
Serpent= Deception, temptation, and sin. Or so at least we've been told....

After reading this post I thought of the Eagle representing freedom and strength through war and conquest. How else could it be achieved if there are always factions trying to make sure we aren't?
I've never really thought of the serpent with negative connotations but I wonder where the 'line' is drawn between serpents, snakes and other reptilians. They aren't all the same clearly but the subtle differences do matter.

We had discussed that the United States 'Eagle' was really a phoenix because its 'Atlantis Reborn', or at least a stepping stone in order to arrive there and that who ever was in charge of guiding things to that more enlightened state are so far above anyone the public has any awareness of existing. This would mean that without a doubt 'America' will fall as it was intended to but something else, something 'better' or more 'enlightened' will replace it when the moment is right.

Thoth, an aspect of Lucifer introduced written language into civilization out of necessity. People weren't primitive in the past and history has been a continual de-evolution and debasing of mankind into 'humans'.

Earlier this year NASA and apparently other related groups just started to officially recognize the thirteenth zodiac which is the serpent bearer 'Ophiuchus'. The thirteen(th) has always been associated with rebelling (against the twelve) and with it being the number of perfection after death (and rebirth), usually by destructive means, with the implication of a man who can control the serpent, it's clear to see why it has been near erased from public knowledge until recently and still its true meaning remains largely unknown.
Ophiuchus (and groups related) isn't deifying the serpent itself but the man who can control the serpent. I suggest you look into the story behind it and the lesser known rod of Asclepius.

The 'Archons' or 'Demiurge', if defined as malevolent extra dimensional entities, is a valid concept. Anything more than that is garbage meant to encourage people into a nihilistic state of helplessness.
Title: Does it Really All Revolve Around the Serpent vs. the Eagle?
Post by: BigBlue1982 on September 10, 2020, 08:04:23 AM
Isn't it odd how the serpent and the eagle have long been represented in almost every cultures symbolism and myths throughout time metaphorically. For instance- Yggdrasil, the tree of life, in Norse mythology with the dragon/serpent gnawing at its root and the eagle perching on its branches. It is the tree where Odin sacrifices himself for knowledge, somewhat like Jesus Christ on the cross sacrificing himself to save humanity.

The eagle nestling on its top branches and the serpent gnawing at the root below require special mention. If we are to look for a universal duo in the myths of the world, it would be these two: perennially in conflict, one inhabiting the limitless, open skies and the other slinking mysteriously through the dark corridors of the netherworld with the trunk of the tree connecting both. It cannot be a mere coincidence that Vishnu sleeps on a serpent and travels on an eagle. The eagle and the serpent seem to represent two paths in which one may transverse on the tree of life.

Freemasons have a "double headed eagle" symbol ((Notice I didn't say phoenix) because they themselves refer to it as the double-headed eagle, which many say resembles the duality of keeping people lost in the inversion of truth. In the Holy Roman Empire's heraldry, the double-headed eagle represented the church and the state. The church, being a vessel of what they corrupted and controlled in order to manipulate the knowledge and beliefs structures of the populous in an attempt to ensure that the affairs and the legitimacy of the state were never challenged.

What is the nature of Ophiuchus?

Does the term serpent bearer/handler just mean that someone is naturally proficient in their ability to handle the knowledge of the serpent?

I myself am an Ophiuchus, born on December 14th, so I always wanted to know the nature of being born under that hidden sign. An odd story in which I mentioned on the old website about a mushroom trip I had involved an ethereal form of energy that took the shape of a serpent. The moment is no longer as fresh in my mind as it once was, when I originally posted so I'll try to make this short...

My wife felt this presence in the room when we were both on shrooms. She said it came across as benevolent, like an old familiar friend and she verbally, out loud invited it in. I too felt a presence prior to her voicing it, but it neither felt benevolent or malevolent to me, just annoying. It kept trying to get my attention by tapping me on my shoulder and head, but I continued to ignore it, so it must have went to my wife who then gave it the approval it needed to join us that evening...

Well to put it mildly my wife had a terrible night. Ever since she let this thing in, it terrorized the hell out her! She saw images of death, walls of eyes watching her, laughing skulls and demonic looking faces. In comparison I was having a good trip and never felt better. Sometimes on mushrooms you need to work through things, so In hindsight I thought that's what was going on with her-  she was wrestling with some sort of internal conflict in which she had to work through it to learn something and become a better person. Man I couldn't have been more wrong!

I would glance over at her and see that she was mentally and emotionally struggling as she tried ever so desperately to keep it together. I knew that I had to intervene, so I let instincts take over and did what I felt was right. I placed my right hand on her back from behind her heart and mentally tried to project this white light of positive energy from my solar plexus to her heart and body. When I did this, she attempted to thwart me by trying to distract/have a conversation with me. I felt like it wouldn't be her doing the talking, but instead whatever this thing was that she invited in. So I told her that I didn't think the both of us were not in the right mind to talk, so I declined and told her to just feel me instead.

As though she was possessed she quickly became angry and tried to continue to distract me from what I was doing. The energy she was giving off began to irradiate stronger, to the point where I then felt the same negativity and evil just by holding onto her. I ultimately absorbed some of this things energy, and I too saw what she was seeing; demonic faces laughing at me and this wall of eyes glaring at me with disapproval. It then showed me my death. I watched as my heart exploded and I felt the pain of it all throughout my body as it tried to extinguish my light and resolve.

Instead of the reaction it was expecting, I felt calm and at peace with my death knowing it wasn't just death, but instead a beautiful transition for me, which seemed to further anger this thing. All of this was happening while I continued to have my hand on my wife's back trying to direct positive energy toward and throughout her. Then out of nowhere I started to visualize this green energy in the form of ethereal serpent. The serpent flowed through my body, through my right arm and throughout my wife's body. We both then instantly felt relief as this thing immediately loosened it grip on us. As this serpent energy flowed I heard what many of you would refer to as the iconic beating and chanting of a Native American drum ceremony.

Now after we got relief and were no longer being tormented we ended up going directly to bed and sleeping for like 16 hours into the next day. Upon waking up with a renewed clarity of the previous nights events, we discussed our experiences. What I found out that was truly both shocking and magical, which I didn't know at the time, was that my wife saw and felt the same healing serpent and heard the same Native American drum ceremony that I did that night.


Title: Does it Really All Revolve Around the Serpent vs. the Eagle?
Post by: Nrgiseternal on September 10, 2020, 12:10:24 PM
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Is everything a war between these two factions? Is this part of the reason for the chaos that were witnessing now during the birth pains of 2020?

Serpent = Enki represented by the Greeks as Poseidon. The Serpent represents fertility and is thus symbolized as an umbilical cord that joins all humans to Mother Earth, thus Poseidon is the Lord of the Earth and the Oceans.

Eagle = Enlil represented by the Greeks as Zeus. The Eagle symbolizes warring power and domain over the skies, thus Zeus is the Lord of the Air.

As Nick has said before in the past the Elite love to invert knowledge and truth. Could it be that the Serpent faction were/are actually the good guys?

The cultures that worshiped the serpent were mostly pagans, Mesoamerican Natives, and Asians who had acquired ancient serpent knowledge. Could the symbolism of the past be the tell-tale mark of the present?

Throughout history the cultures that worshiped the eagle waged war against the cultures that held that still held and practice the knowledge of the serpent. We see this with the conquistadors that destroyed the cultures of the Aztec and Incan's of Mexico and Peru that worshiped the plumed serpents- Quetzalcoatl and Kukulkan. St. Patrick's day is celebrated every year, but do we know what were celebrating? Ireland was historically a pagan land that practiced ancient serpent knowledge. St. Patrick supposedly kicked out all the "snakes" out of Ireland. Did Ireland really ever have any snakes? Or was this simply a metaphor for ridding the land of pagans who once protected the serpent/snake knowledge...

Did the ancient serpent knowledge stem from Atlantis?  We find in Phúnician legends that Poseidon himself was the founder and king of Atlantis. When Atlantis fell the serpent knowledge was given to Egypt as a kingdom to the god Taaut, who had invented the alphabet. The Egyptians called him Thoth, and he was represented among them as "the god of letters, the clerk of the under-world," Thoth is believed to be the Greek equivalent to Hermes who incidentally is "Messenger God". a God of diplomacy, travel, commence, invention and wisdom. These sound like all the right traits to have as God, who would carry forward with him the ancient serpent knowledge of Atlantis to restart a new civilization in Egypt. This is where the term "Hermetic Teachings come from". It should also be noted that Hermes carried a caduceus- a winged staff with two snakes wrapped around it. The wings and serpents could represent the knowledge of the plumed serpent in which he carried with him.

The plain of Atlantis, Plato tells us, "had been cultivated during many ages by many generations of kings." If, as we believe, agriculture, the domestication of the horse, ox, sheep, goat, and bog, and the discovery or development of wheat, oats, rye, and barley originated in this region of Atlantis, then this language of Plato in reference to "the many ages, and the successive generations of kings," accords with the great periods of time which were necessary to bring man from a savage to a civilized condition.

In the great ditch surrounding the whole land like a circle, and into which streams flowed down from the mountains, we probably see the original of the four rivers of Paradise, and the emblem of the cross surrounded by a circle, which was the earliest form in pre-Christian ages, accepted as the emblem of the Garden of Eden. If one could conclude that the original Garden of Eden was in fact in Atlantis, then was the serpent who attempted to tempt and deceive Eve actually trying to warn her instead? In the secret book of John from the Gnostic Nag Hammadi library, the serpent was actually trying to help protect Eve from the Archons...

Speaking of the inversion of knowledge and symbolism, what associations come to mind when we think of a serpent and an eagle?
Eagle= Freedom and strength. Only in reality it's conquest, domination, and war.
Serpent= Deception, temptation, and sin. Or so at least we've been told....

Staff of asclepius
Title: Re: Does it Really All Revolve Around the Serpent vs. the Eagle?
Post by: The Watchers Recurrence on September 10, 2020, 12:16:01 PM
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Staff of asclepius

If this is the 'star of life'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_of_Asclepius#/media/File:Star_of_life2.svg

Then this is the 'star of death'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_of_David#/media/File:Star_of_David.svg
Title: Does it Really All Revolve Around the Serpent vs. the Eagle?
Post by: BigBlue1982 on September 11, 2020, 04:29:33 AM
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Is everything a war between these two factions? Is this part of the reason for the chaos that were witnessing now during the birth pains of 2020?

Serpent = Enki represented by the Greeks as Poseidon. The Serpent represents fertility and is thus symbolized as an umbilical cord that joins all humans to Mother Earth, thus Poseidon is the Lord of the Earth and the Oceans.

Eagle = Enlil represented by the Greeks as Zeus. The Eagle symbolizes warring power and domain over the skies, thus Zeus is the Lord of the Air.

As Nick has said before in the past the Elite love to invert knowledge and truth. Could it be that the Serpent faction were/are actually the good guys?

The cultures that worshiped the serpent were mostly pagans, Mesoamerican Natives, and Asians who had acquired ancient serpent knowledge. Could the symbolism of the past be the tell-tale mark of the present?

Throughout history the cultures that worshiped the eagle waged war against the cultures that held that still held and practice the knowledge of the serpent. We see this with the conquistadors that destroyed the cultures of the Aztec and Incan's of Mexico and Peru that worshiped the plumed serpents- Quetzalcoatl and Kukulkan. St. Patrick's day is celebrated every year, but do we know what were celebrating? Ireland was historically a pagan land that practiced ancient serpent knowledge. St. Patrick supposedly kicked out all the "snakes" out of Ireland. Did Ireland really ever have any snakes? Or was this simply a metaphor for ridding the land of pagans who once protected the serpent/snake knowledge...

Did the ancient serpent knowledge stem from Atlantis?  We find in Phœnician legends that Poseidon himself was the founder and king of Atlantis. When Atlantis fell the serpent knowledge was given to Egypt as a kingdom to the god Taaut, who had invented the alphabet. The Egyptians called him Thoth, and he was represented among them as "the god of letters, the clerk of the under-world," Thoth is believed to be the Greek equivalent to Hermes who incidentally is "Messenger God". a God of diplomacy, travel, commence, invention and wisdom. These sound like all the right traits to have as God, who would carry forward with him the ancient serpent knowledge of Atlantis to restart a new civilization in Egypt. This is where the term "Hermetic Teachings come from". It should also be noted that Hermes carried a caduceus- a winged staff with two snakes wrapped around it. The wings and serpents could represent the knowledge of the plumed serpent in which he carried with him.

The plain of Atlantis, Plato tells us, "had been cultivated during many ages by many generations of kings." If, as we believe, agriculture, the domestication of the horse, ox, sheep, goat, and bog, and the discovery or development of wheat, oats, rye, and barley originated in this region of Atlantis, then this language of Plato in reference to "the many ages, and the successive generations of kings," accords with the great periods of time which were necessary to bring man from a savage to a civilized condition.

In the great ditch surrounding the whole land like a circle, and into which streams flowed down from the mountains, we probably see the original of the four rivers of Paradise, and the emblem of the cross surrounded by a circle, which was the earliest form in pre-Christian ages, accepted as the emblem of the Garden of Eden. If one could conclude that the original Garden of Eden was in fact in Atlantis, then was the serpent who attempted to tempt and deceive Eve actually trying to warn her instead? In the secret book of John from the Gnostic Nag Hammadi library, the serpent was actually trying to help protect Eve from the Archons...

Speaking of the inversion of knowledge and symbolism, what associations come to mind when we think of a serpent and an eagle?
Eagle= Freedom and strength. Only in reality it's conquest, domination, and war.
Serpent= Deception, temptation, and sin. Or so at least we've been told....

Staff of asclepius

Can you further expand upon that Nick? I know of the legend/myth.

-It's a serpent-entwined rod wielded by the Greek god Asclepius the son of Apollo- a deity associated with healing, medicine, rejuvenation, and even resurrection.

-It is said that in return for some kindness rendered by Asclepius, a snake licked Asclepius's ears clean and taught him secret knowledge (to the Greeks snakes were sacred beings of ancient wisdom, healing, and resurrection). Asclepius bore a rod wreathed with a snake, which became associated with healing.

-Asclepius had his formal education under the centaur Chiron who instructed him in the art of medicine and soon became so gifted and proficient that his ability had even surpassed that of both Chiron and his father. Asclepius was therefore able to evade death and to bring others back to life from the brink of death and beyond. This caused an influx of human beings and Zeus resorted to killing him to maintain balance in the numbers of the human population.

-Hades accused Asclepius of stealing his subjects and complained to his brother Zeus about it. According to others, Zeus was afraid that Asclepius would teach the art of resurrection to other humans, so he killed Asclepius with a thunderbolt. This angered Apollo who in turn killed the Cyclopes who made the thunderbolts for Zeus. For this act, Zeus banished Apollo from Olympus and commanded him to serve Admetus, King of Thessaly for a year. After Asclepius's death, Zeus placed his body among the stars as the constellation known as Ophiuchus ("the Serpent Holder").

Do people born under the sign of Ophiuchus have a natural propensity to be healers among this world?
Why would the world hide this constellation for so long? It must have been done to their advantage, as they obviously pose a threat to the current system.
Title: Re: Does it Really All Revolve Around the Serpent vs. the Eagle?
Post by: Undestroyer on September 11, 2020, 08:13:20 AM
could have swore i wrote war is peace sonewhere around here.

oh well

freedom is slavery
Title: Re: Does it Really All Revolve Around the Serpent vs. the Eagle?
Post by: BigBlue1982 on September 11, 2020, 08:57:24 AM
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could have swore i wrote war is peace sonewhere around here.

oh well

freedom is slavery

Isnít that the truth! What an upside down world it is- living through the looking glass...
Title: Re: Does it Really All Revolve Around the Serpent vs. the Eagle?
Post by: The Watchers Recurrence on September 11, 2020, 09:36:15 AM
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could have swore i wrote war is peace sonewhere around here.

oh well

freedom is slavery

Isnít that the truth! What an upside down world it is- living through the looking glass...

If you aren't free to get mad and wage war with another person or group then you are a slave but by definition, there is no master without the slave.

I guess my point there is who needs who? Isn't slavery in all its forms consensual?
Title: Re: Does it Really All Revolve Around the Serpent vs. the Eagle?
Post by: Undestroyer on September 11, 2020, 12:42:09 PM
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could have swore i wrote war is peace sonewhere around here.

oh well

freedom is slavery

Isnít that the truth! What an upside down world it is- living through the looking glass...

If you aren't free to get mad and wage war with another person or group then you are a slave but by definition, there is no master without the slave.

I guess my point there is who needs who? Isn't slavery in all its forms consensual?

is that your trust fund talking Watchers?
Title: Re: Does it Really All Revolve Around the Serpent vs. the Eagle?
Post by: K on September 11, 2020, 02:49:57 PM
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could have swore i wrote war is peace sonewhere around here.

oh well

freedom is slavery

Isnít that the truth! What an upside down world it is- living through the looking glass...

If you aren't free to get mad and wage war with another person or group then you are a slave but by definition, there is no master without the slave.

I guess my point there is who needs who? Isn't slavery in all its forms consensual?

is that your trust fund talking Watchers?

I think what he's getting at is that it is consensual since a slave could always revolt. 'Why don't slaves just all rise up?'
Title: Re: Does it Really All Revolve Around the Serpent vs. the Eagle?
Post by: Undestroyer on September 11, 2020, 02:56:46 PM
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could have swore i wrote war is peace sonewhere around here.

oh well

freedom is slavery

Isnít that the truth! What an upside down world it is- living through the looking glass...

If you aren't free to get mad and wage war with another person or group then you are a slave but by definition, there is no master without the slave.

I guess my point there is who needs who? Isn't slavery in all its forms consensual?

is that your trust fund talking Watchers?

I think what he's getting at is that it is consensual since a slave could always revolt. 'Why don't slaves just all rise up?'
or leave?
Title: Re: Does it Really All Revolve Around the Serpent vs. the Eagle?
Post by: Undestroyer on September 11, 2020, 03:22:23 PM
my apogies Wartchers i did read you short.

i am anti war as you know and i see the dividing of sides as a simulation exercise.

as much as i dislike simulation theory on the macro level

we are certainly in many micro simulations run by eachother and elires.

so why play into their game?
Title: Re: Does it Really All Revolve Around the Serpent vs. the Eagle?
Post by: Undestroyer on September 11, 2020, 03:30:20 PM
freedom is slavery is a reference to 1984.

the idea is that we are so comfy in our freedom that we do not realize we are slaves.

Title: Re: Does it Really All Revolve Around the Serpent vs. the Eagle?
Post by: The Watchers Recurrence on September 11, 2020, 03:42:57 PM
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my apogies Wartchers i did read you short.

i am anti war as you know and i see the dividing of sides as a simulation exercise.

as much as i dislike simulation theory on the macro level

we are certainly in many micro simulations run by eachother and elires.

so why play into their game?

It appears that they (as in TPTB) are the only ones who are willing to and know how to run a society.

Is it really 'their' game or are they simply ones who know how to play it, not to mention even know that there is a game going on? They know there is a game going on so they know there are rules to it. Because they know the rules they know which ones can be bent and which ones can be broken. Because they know that much they can seemingly effortlessly play and shift the balance in their favor, eventually getting what they want.

How many of the masses know the rules to the game, not to mention that there even is one being played?
Title: Re: Does it Really All Revolve Around the Serpent vs. the Eagle?
Post by: The Watchers Recurrence on September 11, 2020, 03:46:13 PM
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freedom is slavery is a reference to 1984.

the idea is that we are so comfy in our freedom that we do not realize we are slaves.

The best prison is one without bars. We are free do to what ever we want, most even have the resources to do so especially if you live in the states and yet people decide to stay discontent and simply complain about how things are instead of doing the physical action required for change.
Title: Re: Does it Really All Revolve Around the Serpent vs. the Eagle?
Post by: Undestroyer on September 11, 2020, 04:22:18 PM
it looks like i supplanted my own meaning in yhat one too.
its been sort of a long week boy oh boy
any way here is how the book them throws the meaning:

Quotes Important Quotations Explained

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Quote 1

war is peace
freedom is slavery
ignorance is strength

These words are the official slogans of the Party, and are inscribed in massive letters on the white pyramid of the Ministry of Truth, as Winston observes in Book One, Chapter I. Because it is introduced so early in the novel, this creed serves as the readerís first introduction to the idea of doublethink. By weakening the independence and strength of individualsí minds and forcing them to live in a constant state of propaganda-induced fear, the Party is able to force its subjects to accept anything it decrees, even if it is entirely illogicalófor instance, the Ministry of Peace is in charge of waging war, the Ministry of Love is in charge of political torture, and the Ministry of Truth is in charge of doctoring history books to reflect the Partyís ideology.

That the national slogan of Oceania is equally contradictory is an important testament to the power of the Partyís mass campaign of psychological control. In theory, the Party is able to maintain that ďWar Is PeaceĒ because having a common enemy keeps the people of Oceania united. ďFreedom Is SlaveryĒ because, according to the Party, the man who is independent is doomed to fail. By the same token, ďSlavery Is Freedom,Ē because the man subjected to the collective will is free from danger and want. ďIgnorance Is StrengthĒ because the inability of the people to recognize these contradictions cements the power of the authoritarian regime.

Title: Re: Does it Really All Revolve Around the Serpent vs. the Eagle?
Post by: Undestroyer on September 11, 2020, 04:25:56 PM
btw bigblue i think you are correct

the war between the hybrids.

i think its still dumb though haha

cant we just put farms on the chessboard?
or create a different plane?

backed into a corner then its fight or die i guess

not an optimal position in

for the aggressor
Title: Re: Does it Really All Revolve Around the Serpent vs. the Eagle?
Post by: K on September 11, 2020, 04:40:41 PM
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could have swore i wrote war is peace sonewhere around here.

oh well

freedom is slavery

Isnít that the truth! What an upside down world it is- living through the looking glass...

If you aren't free to get mad and wage war with another person or group then you are a slave but by definition, there is no master without the slave.

I guess my point there is who needs who? Isn't slavery in all its forms consensual?

is that your trust fund talking Watchers?

I think what he's getting at is that it is consensual since a slave could always revolt. 'Why don't slaves just all rise up?'
or leave?

Sure, you could run away. However, won't you continually ask yourself about those you left behind?
Title: Re: Does it Really All Revolve Around the Serpent vs. the Eagle?
Post by: Undestroyer on September 11, 2020, 05:33:07 PM
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could have swore i wrote war is peace sonewhere around here.

oh well

freedom is slavery

Isnít that the truth! What an upside down world it is- living through the looking glass...

If you aren't free to get mad and wage war with another person or group then you are a slave but by definition, there is no master without the slave.

I guess my point there is who needs who? Isn't slavery in all its forms consensual?

is that your trust fund talking Watchers?

I think what he's getting at is that it is consensual since a slave could always revolt. 'Why don't slaves just all rise up?'
or leave?

Sure, you could run away. However, won't you continually ask yourself about those you left behind?

bring them with you or create a different reality together is like leaving.
Title: Re: Does it Really All Revolve Around the Serpent vs. the Eagle?
Post by: Nrgiseternal on September 11, 2020, 09:12:53 PM
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could have swore i wrote war is peace sonewhere around here.

oh well

freedom is slavery

Isnít that the truth! What an upside down world it is- living through the looking glass...

If you aren't free to get mad and wage war with another person or group then you are a slave but by definition, there is no master without the slave.

I guess my point there is who needs who? Isn't slavery in all its forms consensual?

is that your trust fund talking Watchers?

I think what he's getting at is that it is consensual since a slave could always revolt. 'Why don't slaves just all rise up?'
or leave?

Sure, you could run away. However, won't you continually ask yourself about those you left behind?

bring them with you or create a different reality together is like leaving.

Nothing is beyond their reach
Title: Re: Does it Really All Revolve Around the Serpent vs. the Eagle?
Post by: Undestroyer on September 11, 2020, 10:20:36 PM
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could have swore i wrote war is peace sonewhere around here.

oh well

freedom is slavery

Isnít that the truth! What an upside down world it is- living through the looking glass...

If you aren't free to get mad and wage war with another person or group then you are a slave but by definition, there is no master without the slave.

I guess my point there is who needs who? Isn't slavery in all its forms consensual?

is that your trust fund talking Watchers?

I think what he's getting at is that it is consensual since a slave could always revolt. 'Why don't slaves just all rise up?'
or leave?

Sure, you could run away. However, won't you continually ask yourself about those you left behind?

bring them with you or create a different reality together is like leaving.

Nothing is beyond their reach
actually im starting to get that feeling.

i think this is the point of the I cant breath meme.

its so sad

how many are buying into the entitlment class.

in venezuela it was all about class.

i actually do kot know if race mattered but my frirnd had told me it was very dangerous to be middle class when Chavez came to power. the multitude was lower class and they could literally take pretty much anything they wanted.

the weather underground has been training sown there with William Heirs

are they going to pish this to the brink do you think?

do they think they have a chance?
Title: Re: Does it Really All Revolve Around the Serpent vs. the Eagle?
Post by: Undestroyer on September 12, 2020, 09:34:55 AM
like a letter from heaven i ran into this ladt night.

https://youtu.be/0MqN7zBH-oA

i know its long but give it five minutes and see where it takes you.

later he goes deep into ego too.

im only half way through it
Title: Re: Does it Really All Revolve Around the Serpent vs. the Eagle?
Post by: Undestroyer on September 12, 2020, 12:04:01 PM
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my apogies Wartchers i did read you short.

i am anti war as you know and i see the dividing of sides as a simulation exercise.

as much as i dislike simulation theory on the macro level

we are certainly in many micro simulations run by eachother and elires.

so why play into their game?

It appears that they (as in TPTB) are the only ones who are willing to and know how to run a society.

Is it really 'their' game or are they simply ones who know how to play it, not to mention even know that there is a game going on? They know there is a game going on so they know there are rules to it. Because they know the rules they know which ones can be bent and which ones can be broken. Because they know that much they can seemingly effortlessly play and shift the balance in their favor, eventually getting what they want.

How many of the masses know the rules to the game, not to mention that there even is one being played?

reminds me of this scene
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/f93763ac-de6e-4db6-a6d0-3a0404e7fec1
Title: Re: Does it Really All Revolve Around the Serpent vs. the Eagle?
Post by: DimensionsOfYou on September 12, 2020, 12:13:47 PM
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It appears that they (as in TPTB) are the only ones who are willing to and know how to run a society.

Is it really 'their' game or are they simply ones who know how to play it, not to mention even know that there is a game going on? They know there is a game going on so they know there are rules to it. Because they know the rules they know which ones can be bent and which ones can be broken. Because they know that much they can seemingly effortlessly play and shift the balance in their favor, eventually getting what they want.

How many of the masses know the rules to the game, not to mention that there even is one being played?
From the odd secret thread:
Quote
larcen tyler was a renegade member of the dupont family who felt that it
wasn't fair to play a game when 99 percent of the participants were
unaware a game was a foot, nevermind the rules.
he "redistributed" his families wealth in a very direct fashion..
Title: Re: Does it Really All Revolve Around the Serpent vs. the Eagle?
Post by: Undestroyer on September 13, 2020, 08:32:52 AM
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could have swore i wrote war is peace sonewhere around here.

oh well

freedom is slavery

Isnít that the truth! What an upside down world it is- living through the looking glass...

If you aren't free to get mad and wage war with another person or group then you are a slave but by definition, there is no master without the slave.

I guess my point there is who needs who? Isn't slavery in all its forms consensual?

is that your trust fund talking Watchers?

I think what he's getting at is that it is consensual since a slave could always revolt. 'Why don't slaves just all rise up?'
or leave?

Sure, you could run away. However, won't you continually ask yourself about those you left behind?
I apollogies for not getting back to you for a few days but i have one more point to make regarding this and that is that the fog of war contains incalculable destruction meyham and loss.

My great grandfather fought in the trenches of WW1

he carried a 50 cal around.

my grandmother told me that the only time she ever saw her father cry was after Pearl Harbor as he watched out the window as young men boys really lined up, excited to go to war.

He said, "That bastard Roosevelt!  Those boys have no idea what they are getting themselves into..."

I may be devoud of such horror in my life and i would like to keep it that way.

all wars are bankers wars.

especially "civil" ones.
Title: Re: Does it Really All Revolve Around the Serpent vs. the Eagle?
Post by: Museten on September 14, 2020, 12:44:47 AM
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could have swore i wrote war is peace sonewhere around here.

oh well

freedom is slavery

Isnít that the truth! What an upside down world it is- living through the looking glass...

If you aren't free to get mad and wage war with another person or group then you are a slave but by definition, there is no master without the slave.

I guess my point there is who needs who? Isn't slavery in all its forms consensual?

is that your trust fund talking Watchers?

I think what he's getting at is that it is consensual since a slave could always revolt. 'Why don't slaves just all rise up?'
or leave?

Sure, you could run away. However, won't you continually ask yourself about those you left behind?
I apollogies for not getting back to you for a few days but i have one more point to make regarding this and that is that the fog of war contains incalculable destruction meyham and loss.

My great grandfather fought in the trenches of WW1

he carried a 50 cal around.

my grandmother told me that the only time she ever saw her father cry was after Pearl Harbor as he watched out the window as young men boys really lined up, excited to go to war.

He said, "That bastard Roosevelt!  Those boys have no idea what they are getting themselves into..."

I may be devoud of such horror in my life and i would like to keep it that way.

all wars are bankers wars.

especially "civil" ones.

Might be a lot, assuming what your grandfather was thinking/saying here, but I believe you are witness to far worse atrocities. It's the lie he was talking about - not only the actual battles fought. The lie is larger than ever. Now the wars are fought not with 50 cal's but with your food, your air, your water, and your tv and phone screens.
Title: Re: Does it Really All Revolve Around the Serpent vs. the Eagle?
Post by: Undestroyer on September 14, 2020, 12:16:06 PM
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could have swore i wrote war is peace sonewhere around here.

oh well

freedom is slavery

Isnít that the truth! What an upside down world it is- living through the looking glass...

If you aren't free to get mad and wage war with another person or group then you are a slave but by definition, there is no master without the slave.

I guess my point there is who needs who? Isn't slavery in all its forms consensual?

is that your trust fund talking Watchers?

I think what he's getting at is that it is consensual since a slave could always revolt. 'Why don't slaves just all rise up?'
or leave?

Sure, you could run away. However, won't you continually ask yourself about those you left behind?

bring them with you or create a different reality together is like leaving.

Nothing is beyond their reach

yes im sure they know where yo find me
https://youtu.be/fw0uz88E2gI
Title: Re: Does it Really All Revolve Around the Serpent vs. the Eagle?
Post by: Undestroyer on September 14, 2020, 12:25:25 PM
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could have swore i wrote war is peace sonewhere around here.

oh well

freedom is slavery

Isnít that the truth! What an upside down world it is- living through the looking glass...

If you aren't free to get mad and wage war with another person or group then you are a slave but by definition, there is no master without the slave.

I guess my point there is who needs who? Isn't slavery in all its forms consensual?

is that your trust fund talking Watchers?

I think what he's getting at is that it is consensual since a slave could always revolt. 'Why don't slaves just all rise up?'
or leave?

Sure, you could run away. However, won't you continually ask yourself about those you left behind?
I apollogies for not getting back to you for a few days but i have one more point to make regarding this and that is that the fog of war contains incalculable destruction meyham and loss.

My great grandfather fought in the trenches of WW1

he carried a 50 cal around.

my grandmother told me that the only time she ever saw her father cry was after Pearl Harbor as he watched out the window as young men boys really lined up, excited to go to war.

He said, "That bastard Roosevelt!  Those boys have no idea what they are getting themselves into..."

I may be devoud of such horror in my life and i would like to keep it that way.

all wars are bankers wars.

especially "civil" ones.

Might be a lot, assuming what your grandfather was thinking/saying here, but I believe you are witness to far worse atrocities. It's the lie he was talking about - not only the actual battles fought. The lie is larger than ever. Now the wars are fought not with 50 cal's but with your food, your air, your water, and your tv and phone screens.

yes the lie surrounds and pervades.

rebellion is just the other side of the coin.

duality... so much fun

the revolution wont be televised
but the rebellion will be.
Title: Re: Does it Really All Revolve Around the Serpent vs. the Eagle?
Post by: The Watchers Recurrence on September 14, 2020, 12:35:09 PM
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could have swore i wrote war is peace sonewhere around here.

oh well

freedom is slavery

Isnít that the truth! What an upside down world it is- living through the looking glass...

If you aren't free to get mad and wage war with another person or group then you are a slave but by definition, there is no master without the slave.

I guess my point there is who needs who? Isn't slavery in all its forms consensual?

is that your trust fund talking Watchers?

I think what he's getting at is that it is consensual since a slave could always revolt. 'Why don't slaves just all rise up?'
or leave?

Sure, you could run away. However, won't you continually ask yourself about those you left behind?

bring them with you or create a different reality together is like leaving.

Nothing is beyond their reach

If nothing is beyond their reach or awareness then you'd think this should also be the same with 'us'. So why haven't more people who are against what they are doing attempted to reach into their 'territory'?

It appears the majority of the masses have been made passive at least to the point where they aren't bothered until scholmo comes physically knocking on their door with the joggers as their soldiers. They may have mentally already invaded the private lives and houses of the people but its not an issue until they physically appear.
Title: Re: Does it Really All Revolve Around the Serpent vs. the Eagle?
Post by: The Watchers Recurrence on September 14, 2020, 12:36:19 PM
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could have swore i wrote war is peace sonewhere around here.

oh well

freedom is slavery

Isnít that the truth! What an upside down world it is- living through the looking glass...

If you aren't free to get mad and wage war with another person or group then you are a slave but by definition, there is no master without the slave.

I guess my point there is who needs who? Isn't slavery in all its forms consensual?

is that your trust fund talking Watchers?

I think what he's getting at is that it is consensual since a slave could always revolt. 'Why don't slaves just all rise up?'
or leave?

Sure, you could run away. However, won't you continually ask yourself about those you left behind?
I apollogies for not getting back to you for a few days but i have one more point to make regarding this and that is that the fog of war contains incalculable destruction meyham and loss.

My great grandfather fought in the trenches of WW1

he carried a 50 cal around.

my grandmother told me that the only time she ever saw her father cry was after Pearl Harbor as he watched out the window as young men boys really lined up, excited to go to war.

He said, "That bastard Roosevelt!  Those boys have no idea what they are getting themselves into..."

I may be devoud of such horror in my life and i would like to keep it that way.

all wars are bankers wars.

especially "civil" ones.

Might be a lot, assuming what your grandfather was thinking/saying here, but I believe you are witness to far worse atrocities. It's the lie he was talking about - not only the actual battles fought. The lie is larger than ever. Now the wars are fought not with 50 cal's but with your food, your air, your water, and your tv and phone screens.

yes the lie surrounds and pervades.

rebellion is just the other side of the coin.

duality... so much fun

the revolution wont be televised
but the rebellion will be.

If it fits their agenda somehow and brings in the views then yes.
Title: Re: Does it Really All Revolve Around the Serpent vs. the Eagle?
Post by: Undestroyer on September 14, 2020, 02:51:37 PM
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could have swore i wrote war is peace sonewhere around here.

oh well

freedom is slavery

Isnít that the truth! What an upside down world it is- living through the looking glass...

If you aren't free to get mad and wage war with another person or group then you are a slave but by definition, there is no master without the slave.

I guess my point there is who needs who? Isn't slavery in all its forms consensual?

is that your trust fund talking Watchers?

I think what he's getting at is that it is consensual since a slave could always revolt. 'Why don't slaves just all rise up?'
or leave?

Sure, you could run away. However, won't you continually ask yourself about those you left behind?
I apollogies for not getting back to you for a few days but i have one more point to make regarding this and that is that the fog of war contains incalculable destruction meyham and loss.

My great grandfather fought in the trenches of WW1

he carried a 50 cal around.

my grandmother told me that the only time she ever saw her father cry was after Pearl Harbor as he watched out the window as young men boys really lined up, excited to go to war.

He said, "That bastard Roosevelt!  Those boys have no idea what they are getting themselves into..."

I may be devoud of such horror in my life and i would like to keep it that way.

all wars are bankers wars.

especially "civil" ones.

Might be a lot, assuming what your grandfather was thinking/saying here, but I believe you are witness to far worse atrocities. It's the lie he was talking about - not only the actual battles fought. The lie is larger than ever. Now the wars are fought not with 50 cal's but with your food, your air, your water, and your tv and phone screens.

yes the lie surrounds and pervades.

rebellion is just the other side of the coin.

duality... so much fun

the revolution wont be televised
but the rebellion will be.

If it fits their agenda somehow and brings in the views then yes.
its already happening
Title: Re: Does it Really All Revolve Around the Serpent vs. the Eagle?
Post by: The Watchers Recurrence on September 17, 2020, 01:29:18 PM
According to some 'America' comes from 'Amaruca' which the literal translation for is 'The (land of the) Plumed Serpent(s)' or 'Land of The Great Plumed Serpent'. This 'serpent' is most likely some aspect of Lucifer. I suppose this shouldn't come as a shock if accurate given the many parts of America named after or something to do with some aspect of Lucifer.

A 'plume' is a feather. All 'great serpents' are feathered.

So if that is accurate then America was founded on the land of the serpents and its symbol is an eagle (or phoenix?). This is interesting if we are to assume there is some kind of war between a serpent and eagle faction. Is 'America' some sort of merging or even a 'melting pot' of the two?
Maybe the true leaders of America has control over the serpent and the knowledge that comes from this and the high perspective (knowledge) of an eagle. Their high perspective (knowledge) allows them to understand the cyclical nature of the universe and turn the eagle into a phoenix that will see the end of America as a stepping stone into 'Atlantis Reborn'.

With that in mind, the 'end of America' isn't a matter of 'if' but a matter of 'when'.


Title: Re: Does it Really All Revolve Around the Serpent vs. the Eagle?
Post by: Undestroyer on September 17, 2020, 02:50:01 PM
Mexico's coat of arms

The central emblem is the Mexican coat of arms, based on the Aztec symbol for Tenochtitlan (now Mexico City), the center of the Aztec empire. It recalls the legend of an eagle sitting on a cactus while devouring a serpent that signaled to the Aztecs where to found their city,
Title: Re: Does it Really All Revolve Around the Serpent vs. the Eagle?
Post by: Undestroyer on September 18, 2020, 07:20:31 AM
https://youtu.be/2ZWRCZTos2M
Title: Re: Does it Really All Revolve Around the Serpent vs. the Eagle?
Post by: Grass is Green on September 19, 2020, 02:24:03 AM
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https://youtu.be/2ZWRCZTos2M (https://youtu.be/2ZWRCZTos2M)


psst...it's the audiobook recording of Cosmic Code by Zecharia Sitchin.
Title: Re: Does it Really All Revolve Around the Serpent vs. the Eagle?
Post by: Nrgiseternal on September 19, 2020, 07:46:02 AM
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https://youtu.be/2ZWRCZTos2M (https://youtu.be/2ZWRCZTos2M)


psst...it's the audiobook recording of Cosmic Code by Zecharia Sitchin.

Sitchin is controlled oppo. Listen to arizona wilder
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Post by: sheepdog on September 21, 2020, 10:47:31 PM
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could have swore i wrote war is peace sonewhere around here.

oh well

freedom is slavery

Isnít that the truth! What an upside down world it is- living through the looking glass...

If you aren't free to get mad and wage war with another person or group then you are a slave but by definition, there is no master without the slave.

I guess my point there is who needs who? Isn't slavery in all its forms consensual?

is that your trust fund talking Watchers?

I think what he's getting at is that it is consensual since a slave could always revolt. 'Why don't slaves just all rise up?'
or leave?

Sure, you could run away. However, won't you continually ask yourself about those you left behind?
I apollogies for not getting back to you for a few days but i have one more point to make regarding this and that is that the fog of war contains incalculable destruction meyham and loss.

My great grandfather fought in the trenches of WW1

he carried a 50 cal around.

my grandmother told me that the only time she ever saw her father cry was after Pearl Harbor as he watched out the window as young men boys really lined up, excited to go to war.

He said, "That bastard Roosevelt!  Those boys have no idea what they are getting themselves into..."

I may be devoud of such horror in my life and i would like to keep it that way.

all wars are bankers wars.

especially "civil" ones.
Wow your Gramps was a stout SOB 50s even the Barret 50s today  are extremely unwieldy  and  heavy but can they shoot .oh Hell yes rounds are  very large and very pricey fun weapon tho who said "War is Hell"?
Title: Does it Really All Revolve Around the Serpent vs. the Eagle?
Post by: Jeff on November 03, 2020, 07:09:13 PM
Lion with a Golden Eagle on his head to deal with the Serpent from above and below.