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OP: June 26, 2020, 12:19:18 PM
Hello site members and admins.,

I'm new to this site though not new to conspiracy forums. I'm interested in all things music: mankind's relationship with the earth's many available cultural, social, and spiritual traditions; how it impacts our consciousness and how it can be developed to aide in our evolution; the history, the personalities, instruments, transmission and education; past, present, and future musical expressions.

I discovered this site looking for key words in my musical searches and registered as to be able to check links, as well as post when the mood strikes me.

Currently I am looking for information on Theurgical musical practices. Does anyone have any personal experiences related to theurgic music or can anyone recommend sources pertaining to it?

This should be an adequate introduction to start with on my end. I'm looking forward to seeing what kind of insight is forthcoming.

Thanks.

- Eli
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#1: June 26, 2020, 01:56:17 PM
Welcome!! And another welcome to this subject, as well.

Musical theurgy is the one thing I do have experience in. I suppose the subject matter and methods vary by theurgist, but I can offer my own experience and tidbits to stir the pot.

Every song in existence invokes a God, whether the composer knows it or not, and 95% do. If there are words set to music it is an act of ritual, yet more a chassis lacking for the engine-that-is-the-magician.

Isn’t it strange how most every song is directed toward some obscure lover? Calling to them, apologizing to them, yearning for them, angry at them, some all at once. Suggest any different interpretation and others wag their finger, “No, it’s obviously about his lost love, his girlfriend, his wife, her third grandpa’s doctor’s daughter.”

Here’s my question for ya. Do you have a song you sang as a child, as early as you can remember?

Of course we all do; my target is one whose lyrics and emotion “spoke” to you enough that you’ve carried the experience, since.
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#2: June 26, 2020, 03:17:02 PM
Hi Zephyr,

Thank you for responding. You seem to be excited to talking about this subject; it is a heady one indeed!

Can you provide some examples of music you feel are "theurgic" and why you think they are? You mention composer(s). Are you referring to composers in the classical sense, or are you including modern (even world) music in this category?

A song that I can remember? Not all of it, but I once I got started I could probably cull from some deep-seated place in my memory Ice, Ice Baby by Vanilla Ice. Are you saying a song (rap?) is theurgic simply because there's lyrics and rhythm combined? Are you saying it has to be a deeply meaningful experience?

What is Theurgy?

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Here’s my question for ya. Do you have a song you sang as a child, as early as you can remember?

Of course we all do; my target is one whose lyrics and emotion “spoke” to you enough that you’ve carried the experience, since.

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"We're our own dragons as well as our own heroes, and we have to rescue ourselves from ourselves." Tom Robbins - Still Life With Woodpecker

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#6: June 26, 2020, 04:44:55 PM
It's too bad our old discussions aren't available because we shared a lot of good, music related ideas. So it goes...
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#7: June 26, 2020, 05:11:15 PM
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What is Theurgy?

Theurgy is the realization that every facet of reality is an archetype of a Form, or a God, and that proper manipulation of these archetypes achieves a result from that God. Communion to establish a relationship with the Force(s) that compose your reality.

It relies upon henosis, what many occultists refer to as the state of mind where every act is a magickal act. Those deep, meaningful experiences are glimpses of that state, and music provides the bridge to experience that state enough to know it and summon it at will. High Magick.

The ancient mysteries taught that music affects reality, and that by combining the human voice with music (while singing of the correct archetypes) a sorcerer is able to cultivate a relationship with an overseer of reality. Hence ancient music always having lyric extolling a God.

It is no different in the modern world, the Gods simply chose concealment so now their priests and musicians extol them through metaphor—through forked tongue. I mean composers of any kind, classical or rap or mother goose poem. A theurgist seeks to study the Gods’ archetypes enough to identify the Form behind something, regardless if the medium is a song, a movie character, a novel, a person in your life, your self.

Rap is useful for learning because it tends to forego the poetic metaphors, their emotion or ego is the carrier, so it can be easier to interpret. Ice Ice Baby is a wonderful example. He begins the song telling you exactly what he’s using the song for, and his intentionally crafted ego mirrors and invokes a particular God.

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Collaborate and listen
Ice is back with my brand new invention
Something grabs a hold of me tightly
Flow like a harpoon daily and nightly
Will it ever stop?
Yo, I don't know
Turn off the lights and I'll glow
To the extreme, I rock a mic like a vandal
Light up a stage
and wax a chump like a candle
[...]
My town, that created all the bass sound
Enough to shake and kick holes in the ground
'Cause my style's like a chemical spill
Feasible rhymes you can vision and feel

Some songs like “She’s So High” or “Burnin’ Love” are easy to prove that it’s about a celestial entity instead of some human lover. A fun one is “La Vida Loca,” this site’s older forum shared it discussing the amount of energy it invokes. “Come on Eileen” is a personal favorite.
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Hello site members and admins.,

I'm new to this site though not new to conspiracy forums. I'm interested in all things music: mankind's relationship with the earth's many available cultural, social, and spiritual traditions; how it impacts our consciousness and how it can be developed to aide in our evolution; the history, the personalities, instruments, transmission and education; past, present, and future musical expressions.

I discovered this site looking for key words in my musical searches and registered as to be able to check links, as well as post when the mood strikes me.

Currently I am looking for information on Theurgical musical practices. Does anyone have any personal experiences related to theurgic music or can anyone recommend sources pertaining to it?

This should be an adequate introduction to start with on my end. I'm looking forward to seeing what kind of insight is forthcoming.

Thanks.

- Eli

Look into tritones and paganini
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Also every song referencing an unspecified female is actually the singer speaking directly to support
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#10: June 26, 2020, 08:28:52 PM
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#11: June 26, 2020, 10:42:24 PM
Thanks for all the replies.

I believe I should rephrase the question: what is Theurgical Music?

It seems to me that not all music is theurgical, for if it were there would be no such thing as the term theurgy--as it's applied musically (or in any other art form for that matter). If all music is "divinely oriented" then that places some of the most soul-destroying and mind-numbing "music" (like gangster rap, heavy metal, hip-hop, modern pop) on the same level as the truly great master composers in history. Does anyone believe that there are no gradations of forms of music?

Another way of saying this is, I've never heard any one refer to rap as theurgical.

Now there seems to be a wealth of literature from antiquity referencing Theurgy and Theosophia: Plato, Iamblichus, Plotinus, Plutarch, Boethius, Pythagoras, among others. All of these savants taught and proclaimed that Theurgy--as it was applied to music--was a very special, highly esoteric combination of essential elements which was capable of establishing rapport and a conjoining with Deity.

I have been unable to ascertain what therugical music sounds like, what it feels like, what it is. What type of instruments were/are used; are there any modern artists/composers who write exclusively in the theurgic mode; what kind of effect does it have on the hearer; how can one identify it when they hear it,  etc... ?

It does not appear that someone like Jennifer Lopez (sp?), Peter Gabriel (as much as I enjoy him), or someone who loops their own voice comes anywhere close to fulfilling the definition of Theurgy as outlined by the above mentioned spiritual geniuses.

Thanks for the thoughtful replies! I'm enjoying being able to think about all of the above.

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Thanks for all the replies.

I believe I should rephrase the question: what is Theurgical Music?

It seems to me that not all music is theurgical, for if it were there would be no such thing as the term theurgy--as it's applied musically (or in any other art form for that matter). If all music is "divinely oriented" then that places some of the most soul-destroying and mind-numbing "music" (like gangster rap, heavy metal, hip-hop, modern pop) on the same level as the truly great master composers in history. Does anyone believe that there are no gradations of forms of music?

Another way of saying this is, I've never heard any one refer to rap as theurgical.

Now there seems to be a wealth of literature from antiquity referencing Theurgy and Theosophia: Plato, Iamblichus, Plotinus, Plutarch, Boethius, Pythagoras, among others. All of these savants taught and proclaimed that Theurgy--as it was applied to music--was a very special, highly esoteric combination of essential elements which was capable of establishing rapport and a conjoining with Deity.

I have been unable to ascertain what therugical music sounds like, what it feels like, what it is. What type of instruments were/are used; are there any modern artists/composers who write exclusively in the theurgic mode; what kind of effect does it have on the hearer; how can one identify it when they hear it,  etc... ?

It does not appear that someone like Jennifer Lopez (sp?), Peter Gabriel (as much as I enjoy him), or someone who loops their own voice comes anywhere close to fulfilling the definition of Theurgy as outlined by the above mentioned spiritual geniuses.

Thanks for the thoughtful replies! I'm enjoying being able to think about all of the above.

- Eli

I repeat myself, Tritones and paganini is a great starting point. Regarding rap you'd be surprised how many songs are dictated to the producers and aptly named "ghost writers" by what many would call demons
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Thanks for all the replies.

I believe I should rephrase the question: what is Theurgical Music?

It seems to me that not all music is theurgical, for if it were there would be no such thing as the term theurgy--as it's applied musically (or in any other art form for that matter). If all music is "divinely oriented" then that places some of the most soul-destroying and mind-numbing "music" (like gangster rap, heavy metal, hip-hop, modern pop) on the same level as the truly great master composers in history. Does anyone believe that there are no gradations of forms of music?

Another way of saying this is, I've never heard any one refer to rap as theurgical.

Now there seems to be a wealth of literature from antiquity referencing Theurgy and Theosophia: Plato, Iamblichus, Plotinus, Plutarch, Boethius, Pythagoras, among others. All of these savants taught and proclaimed that Theurgy--as it was applied to music--was a very special, highly esoteric combination of essential elements which was capable of establishing rapport and a conjoining with Deity.

I have been unable to ascertain what therugical music sounds like, what it feels like, what it is. What type of instruments were/are used; are there any modern artists/composers who write exclusively in the theurgic mode; what kind of effect does it have on the hearer; how can one identify it when they hear it,  etc... ?

It does not appear that someone like Jennifer Lopez (sp?), Peter Gabriel (as much as I enjoy him), or someone who loops their own voice comes anywhere close to fulfilling the definition of Theurgy as outlined by the above mentioned spiritual geniuses.

Thanks for the thoughtful replies! I'm enjoying being able to think about all of the above.

- Eli

I repeat myself, Tritones and paganini is a great starting point. Regarding rap you'd be surprised how many songs are dictated to the producers and aptly named "ghost writers" by what many would call demons

Rainman is one of their favorites.
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