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aren't planets planes of existence? or energy signatures

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The stars represent soul patterns. The twelve signs of the zodiac are twelve patterns from which the soul chooses when coming into the Earth realm. We are told the star signs influence people to get more bullish, or lionish, or airy, or introspective and further (Cayce, in Sugrue 1973:236)

The afterlife realms, manifested physically by the planets, are old dwelling-realms for the souls. The planets influence people somewhat if they have a prominent place in the horoscope, or sky - that is, star clusters (constellations), sun moon and planets and more in the heavens as seen from earth, and depicted in the form of the birth horoscope (radix) and progressive horoscopes.

Edgar Cayce stated that souls reincarnate, not only to the Earth realm, but also to other realms between Earth incarnations. If a soul incarnates into an Earth life from one of these afterlife realms, the soul [may] manifest the influence of the realm it recently came from. These influences are defined by astrology, and are related to the spirit realm associated with the astrological influence of the associated planet, indicates Cayce.

As an example of how a soul travels in thought (sojourns) to various afterlife realms, Cayce described his most recent sojourns - in the Uranus afterlife and then in the Venus sphere. He incarnated to Earth with these most recent experiences in his soul to become a clairvoyant with a heart for helping others.

Pluto (a dwarf planet in the Kuiper belt) was until recently considered the seventh planet from the Earth - in the afterlife it is a realm of consciousness, final development of full consciousness. The (dwarf) planet Pluto was referred to by Cayce years before it was discovered. He referred to it as Vulcan and also as Septimus. When Pluto was discovered, Cayce affirmed that Vulcan or Septimus was the same planet as Pluto. The Pluto afterlife realm brings regeneration and a growth in consciousness, but can also bring self-centeredness. Pluto represents spiritual growth and development of the soul and also of humanity.

Saturn of Cayce: Saturn afterlife is not pleasant, for inadequate matter is redone there. Accordingly, the Saturn influence "talks" for starting anew with that Great Changer (Saturn).
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In Line With Plato
However... when looked at through a metaphorical lens, then Cayce's reading falls exactly in line with Plato's description of the soul's ascent and descent. Plato described our descent into life on planet Earth as a soul journey originating in the Fixed Stars and then descending through the various spheres or influences of the [then known] seven planets.

When our life on planet Earth is finished, our souls then ascend back through the spheres or influences of the planets.

Planetary Symbolism

Moon (Luna) - where we've already been, the past, instincts, the unconscious, body
Sun (Sol) - where we're going in the future, heart, identity, consciousness, vitality, spirit
Venus - relating abilities, pleasure, enjoyment, values
Mercury - communication, intelligence, thought, ideas
Mars - assertiveness, action, getting what you want, survival
Jupiter - expansion, beneficent, jovial, opportunity, religious
Saturn - restriction, limitations, structure, learning hard lessons
Uranus - independence, the unexpected, intuition, genius, ingenuity, shock, inventive, detachment
Neptune - dependence, foggy, romantic, misty, mystical, magnetic, slightly out of focus, loss of ego, imagination
Pluto - intensity, hidden, invisible, transformation, survivor, eros, erotic

how accurate is this information?

About 70% the core principles are correct but they're making some conclusions that arent necessarily valid
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aren't planets planes of existence? or energy signatures

Both but only because they are powerful Consciousnesses that have chosen to create worlds and Lightbring their conscious “energy” to others.

And energy signature is not mutually exclusive of godhood how many times must I say this you are not your body this is the most basic esoteric concept you need to grasp if you are to ever accomplish anything and I do mean anything
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You mean how it goes blurry for a bit (focusing)? I have not but I was into photography for a while and took some pics of the moon once.

Interestingly that reminds me I'm sure we switched timelines around 2012 because my photography was in 2009-2011 when I sold it all to fund a business and I cannot remember there being any bright objects in the sky other than the moon and "the north star" but now we got Saturn, Mars, Jupiter, Venus and Sirius all competing for real estate.

These images are what I was talking about.









Taken from this thread.

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Now that I think about it, these images of apparently planets and stars resemble the 'orbs' people see sometimes when they take pictures (of things in general, nothing specific). The 'orbs' by most peoples unknowing mind is supposed to be representative of 'spirits'.
I've actually caught some very detailed images of some a while ago. I actually saw faces in them. Humanoid faces but they weren't 'human'.
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I'm not really convinced of any of this stuff.  The stars shown 'close up' are distortions due to refraction by the atmosphere and the fact that they are so distant they amount to points of light, which means they won't show spherical shapes like the much closer Sun does.  There are limitations to telescopes when it comes to magnification of distant objects. 

I'm left to ask that if all that stuff up there is a 'projection' can anyone explain what that statement actually means.  How is it projected?  I still believe the planets are solid/physical bodies.  Of course they would also have more sublime features that we might not see or suspect.  It all sounds like flat earth statements to me.
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I'm not really convinced of any of this stuff.  The stars shown 'close up' are distortions due to refraction by the atmosphere and the fact that they are so distant they amount to points of light, which means they won't show spherical shapes like the much closer Sun does.  There are limitations to telescopes when it comes to magnification of distant objects. 

I'm left to ask that if all that stuff up there is a 'projection' can anyone explain what that statement actually means.  How is it projected?  I still believe the planets are solid/physical bodies.  Of course they would also have more sublime features that we might not see or suspect.  It all sounds like flat earth statements to me.

They aren't planets they are planes and planes because they are densities which 'Earth' is the lowest/heaviest of the lot of them.

What is an unfolded cube? 'Planet' is a 'plane'+'t'.

You know that the Sun isn't even spherical and that's just how you perceive it right?

Each plane(t) is perceived as a baal depending on where your viewing it from. 'Earth' is associated with the hexahedron (platonic solids), which is just a cube.

What happens when you spin a square/cube?
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They aren't planets they are planes and planes because they are densities which 'Earth' is the lowest/heaviest of the lot of them.

What is an unfolded cube? 'Planet' is a 'plane'+'t'.

You know that the Sun isn't even spherical and that's just how you perceive it right?

Each plane(t) is perceived as a baal depending on where your viewing it from. 'Earth' is associated with the hexahedron (platonic solids), which is just a cube.

What happens when you spin a square/cube?

Well, everything is just our perception of course, but if I wish to walk a mile, I must walk it.

Asteres planetai - so called because the Greeks saw them as wandering stars, against the greater background of the night sky, which all appeared to move in unison, east to west.  They have density, sure.

Unfolding a cube is a mental exercise.  3D to 2D.

The Sun radiates energy (from a central mass in all directions), so spherical or at least spheroid.  I don't think it's a 'nuclear furnace' though.  Its energy is not from within, as imagined by science.

Of course, all these bodies have higher and higher forms vibration/frequency-wise.  There is really only one dimension.  We just perceive a tiny fragment of the full spectrum and imagine anything 'without' must be extra-dimensional, which is illusion.

I don't see the connection between ball and Baal, except for happenstance similar spelling (in English).  Ball: PIE root bhel: to blow, swell.  Ba'al: Master/lord, related to Akkadian Belu.

When you spin a cube it remains a cube, yet may appear to be a circle or even sphere, when the time factor is in play, rather than just viewing it frozen.

Sorry to be obstinate, but I'm not convinced.
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From what I can see, the word 'plane' and the word 'planet' have different etymological derivations.  Flat as in a plain or liquid surface - and wandering about.  Perhaps they could be related by thinking about it as: wandering around in a flat landscape, or something like that, but...
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Plato's cube represents the three axes of spatial reference, plus the transformative 'axis' of sequence (time).  The Forms are unable to be represented to our eyes in a literal sense.  They're always imperfect here.  They have one Form which includes all forms of that 'type' possible (potential).

This is a 4D realm if the time factor is included.
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Plato's cube represents the three axes of spatial reference, plus the transformative 'axis' of sequence (time).  The Forms are unable to be represented to our eyes in a literal sense.  They're always imperfect here.  They have one Form which includes all forms of that 'type' possible (potential).

This is a 4D realm if the time factor is included.

'Time' is not a plane or density, its an artificial construct.
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'Time' is not a plane or density, its an artificial construct.

If you mean a mental construct, I agree.  I didn't say it was a plane or density, but that it was an an axis of reference.  You know, length, breadth, depth, duration.  Four axes of reference that define our perceptions of this world.
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This might be unrelated, but I've always wondered if things like gravity and the shape of Earth are all different from the mainstream narrative then how does satellites manage to stay up in the sky?
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This might be unrelated, but I've always wondered if things like gravity and the shape of Earth are all different from the mainstream narrative then how does satellites manage to stay up in the sky?

Their interpretation of gravity is mistaken and even they are likely to say they don't really know, but gravity exists.  Newton worked out mathematical formulas that were repeatable in calculations pertaining to gravity.  He never claimed to know what it actually was though.  Proof that if one derives the proper numbers, the math will work without any deeper understanding.

Gravity is the weak form of magnetism.  All things with mass have gravity, due to the interaction of their respective electromagnetic fields with the universal electromagnetic field.  So it is a field affect, an interference pattern.   The satellites stay up by moving fast enough to overcome the (weaker) gravity at that height (centripetal versus centrifugal force is balanced). 
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our perceptions of other planets are limited to our physical senses and the visible light spectrum. "life" on these planets or planes or what they "really look like" can't be perceived in a picture. in this way, our sense of distance is also an illusion caused by the feeling that we are located in our bodies, here in this planet, which is why the concept of "space travel" in the traditional sense is most likely impossible
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our perceptions of other planets are limited to our physical senses and the visible light spectrum. "life" on these planets or planes or what they "really look like" can't be perceived in a picture. in this way, our sense of distance is also an illusion caused by the feeling that we are located in our bodies, here in this planet, which is why the concept of "space travel" in the traditional sense is most likely impossible

Agreed.  That old chestnut of literality, ever rears its immature head.   :)
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Today nearly everyone is familiar with holograms, three-dimensional images projected into space with the aid of a laser. Now two of the world's most eminent thinkers - University of London physicist David Bohm, a former protege of Einstein's and one of the world's most respected quantum physicists, and Stanford neurophysiologist Karl Pribram, one of the architects of our modern understanding of the brain - believe that the universe itself may be a giant hologram, quite literally a kind of image or construct created, at least in part, by the human mind.
Intriguingly, Bohm and Pribram arrived at their conclusions independently and while working from two very different directions. Bohm became convinced of the universe's holographic nature only after years of dissatisfaction with the standard theories' inability to explain all of the phenomena encountered in quantum physics. Pribram became convinced because of the failure of standard theories of the brain to explain various unsolved neurophysiological puzzles.

However, after arriving at their views, Bohm, Pribram, and other researchers who came to support their idea, realized the holographic model explained a wide range of other phenomena as well, including telepathy, precognition, psychokinesis (the ability of the mind to move physical objects without anyone touching them), mystical feelings of oneness with the universe, spontaneous healings, synchronicities, and even shamanic and near-death experiences. Indeed, it has become apparent to the ever growing number of scientists who have come to embrace the holographic paradigm that it helps explain virtually all paranormal and mystical experiences.
To understand why Pribram saw holography as the answer, one must understand a little more about holograms. As stated, a hologram is a three-dimensional image made with the aid of a laser. To make a hologram, the object to be photographed is first bathed in the light of a laser beam. Then a second laser beam is bounced off the reflected light of the first and the resulting interference pattern (the area where the two laser beams commingle) is captured on film. When the film is developed, it looks like a meaningless swirl of light and dark lines. But as soon as the developed film is illuminated by another laser beam, a three-dimensional image of the original object appears.

The tree-dimensionality of such images is not the only extraordinary characteristic of the hologram. If a hologram of a rose is cut in half and then illuminated by a laser, each half will still be found to contain the entire image of the rose. Indeed, even if the halves are divided again, and then again, each piece of film will always be found to contain a smaller but complete version of the entire original image. Unlike normal photographs, every part of a hologram contains all the information possessed by the whole.

It was this "whole in every part" nature of a hologram that gave Pribram the explanation he had been looking for. Lashley's experiments had shown that every portion of the brain also appears to contain the whole of the brain's memories. Thus, Pribram concluded that the brain is itself a kind of hologram. How might memories be stored in a holographic brain?

Pribram now believes memories are encoded not in neurons, or small groupings of neurons, but in patterns of nerve impulses that crisscross the entire brain in the same way that patterns of laser light interference crisscross the entire area of a piece of film containing a holographic image.

What does it all mean? Pribram believes it is not only further evidence that the brain is a kind of hologram, but suggests that the brain is actually a sort of lens, a translating device that takes the cascade of frequencies we receive through our senses and converts them into the familiar reality of our inner perceptions. Put another way, quasars, coffee cups, and oak trees do not exist objectively. They are only holograms we create inside our heads, for "out there" is just a frequency domain, a flowing and kaleidoscopic ocean of energy and vibration.

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Bohm believes subatomic particles can instantaneously register what is happening to one another, not because they are sending some sort of mysterious signal back and forth, but because their separateness is an illusion. He argues that at some deeper level of reality such particles are not individual entities, but are actually extensions of the same fundamental something.

To enable people to better visualize what he means, Bohm offers the following illustration. Imagine an aquarium containing a fish. Imagine also that you are unable to see the aquarium directly and your knowledge about it and what it contains comes from two television cameras, one directed at the aquarium's front and the other directed at its side. As you stare at the two television monitors, you might assume that the fish on each of the screens are separate entities. After all, because the cameras are set at different angles, each of the images will be slightly different. But as you continue to watch the two fish, you will eventually become aware that there is a certain relationship between them. When one turns, the other also makes a slightly different but corresponding turn; when one faces the front, the other always faces toward the side. If you remain unaware of the full scope of the situation you might even conclude that the fish must be instantaneously communicating with one another, but this is clearly not the case. This, says Bohm, is precisely what is going on between the subatomic particles in Aspect's experiment.

In terms of the hologram, just as every portion of a hologram contains the information of the whole, every member of a set of twin particles contains all information of both twins. Thus, according to Bohm, the apparent faster-than-light connection between subatomic particles is really telling us that there is a deeper level of reality we are not privy to, a holographic level analogous to the aquarium. We view objects such as subatomic particles as separate from one another because we are not seeing the proverbial piece of cosmic holographic film in which they are embedded. We are seeing only the illusory and shimmering image that comes out of the film.

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THE COSMOS AS HOLOGRAM

Considered together, Bohm and Pribram's tandem discoveries -that our brains appear to be programmed to decipher something holographic and the very fabric of reality is structured like a hologram- seem more than just striking coincidences and suggest perhaps that the universe is itself a kind of giant hologram. This is not to say that it is composed of laser light, but that it possesses the properties of a hologram. Such a possibility has been greeted with scepticism by many scientists. However, it has galvanized others, and some are beginning to believe it may be the most accurate model of reality science has arrived at thus far.

As mentioned, one reason for taking the idea seriously is that if appears to solve virtually the entire range of parapsychological phenomena. In a universe in which individual brains are actually indivisible portions of the greater hologram and everything is holographically interconnected, telepathy may merely be the accessing of the holographic level. Put another way, in a universe that is a hologram, our brain, indeed every neuron and every atom in our brain, contains in some semblance the whole universe, and we are truly all part of a global mind. Poet William Blake's assertion that the universe can be found in a grain of sand becomes literally true. Thus, the ability of one brain to access information from another is not such a problem because every brain already contains every other brain.

Bohm and Pribram have also suggested that many religious and/or mystical experiences, such as a feeling of transcendental oneness with the universe, may also be due to the accessing of the holographic realm. As they note, perhaps the reason so many great mystics of the past have talked about experiencing a feeling of cosmic unity with all things is simply that they have learned how to reach that part of their minds in which all things really do possess cosmic unity.

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