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#15: November 23, 2020, 08:34:48 AM
There's quite a few implications

- the red chakra is the root chakra, the first chakra, they might favor it because by not "unlocking" the others it keeps people stuck here in the material, like 99% of people, at an awareness level at least.

- the whole sodomy thing

- red chakra = grounding / bones / the physical body / power (anger etc the more malevolent parts of the human experience)

I'm looking into a water distiller as we speak. Even if you order distilled water how do you know it's actually distilled, or poison not added afterwards?
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They attack the root because if you block that one off you block them all. It's the gateway
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#17: November 23, 2020, 04:31:57 PM
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There's quite a few implications

- the red chakra is the root chakra, the first chakra, they might favor it because by not "unlocking" the others it keeps people stuck here in the material, like 99% of people, at an awareness level at least.

- the whole sodomy thing

- red chakra = grounding / bones / the physical body / power (anger etc the more malevolent parts of the human experience)

I'm looking into a water distiller as we speak. Even if you order distilled water how do you know it's actually distilled, or poison not added afterwards?
Amazingly Hanna  Instruments has a number of tools to assure you of what you are drinking and even Walmart distilled water is suitable to drink !Water  only expands when heated or frozen ok ? wtf! there various kinds of water even there's dry-wet-light -heavy depending on the Anions or Cations  present and once again water must be on our bodies frequency and it must  contain  the same wavelength as our body- distilled fits  the bill. Juice a lemon add to your distilled cleans your liver . All right Stay Safe
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They attack the root because if you block that one off you block them all. It's the gateway
When the blood from your Aorta jets up through your umbilical going  up & thru  by waving moving your arms hips generating a certain form and your imagination hell of a rush . you improve your immune system big shakeup  feels like a tennis ball as it ascends up your Aorta.. Stay Safe
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They attack the root because if you block that one off you block them all. It's the gateway

Oh and don't they fancy themselves as gatekeepers.
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#20: November 24, 2020, 06:48:17 PM
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They attack the root because if you block that one off you block them all. It's the gateway

This.

It is no surprise the biggest campaign against the conscious mind starts with root chakra subjugation.

Sexuality keeps men subservient and primitive.
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#21: November 24, 2020, 08:02:27 PM
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So the last few weeks (12 to be exact) I have eaten VERY little meat in my diet. Mainly healthy meals full of vegetables, fruit, and, well, chocolate but organic. Basically I read the "axe me a question" again recently and thought I would try "vegetarian".

I've lost losts of weight but I've also been having pretty severe muscle and joint pain, which I take a whole host of supplements for such as magnesium, amino acids, and stuff like that.

For the first time in 12 weeks I had a meal, earlier, consisting of mainly meat - a nice big wagyu hamburger, some bacon, basically a home made cheese burger.

It was extremely delicious.

But what just occured to me is...where's my nightly ankle and leg pain? It gets far worse in the evening yet today, the one day I ate a lot of red meat, the pain is missing.

This can't just be a coincedence, right?

So if rofsy was putting disinfo in his answers, what else is disinfo? I've read extensively how distilled water, which he recommends, is really bad for you. Something about it making cells explode. Hmm

The internet is awash with "quit meat to cure joint pain" but for me it's the complete opposite.

You’re working off quick unfounded assumptions within a very short time period. Be careful not to confuse conjecture and speculation with downright fact.

Rofsy, I’m sure had a little disinformation sprinkled in for his own purposes, no doubt. However, he was on point with many things.

12 weeks you say? Going by your own summation of the reason for why you tried this (which was Rofsy’s advice), you answer your own questions, in a sense. Ironically, you listened to some of it but the part about pushing through the discomfort and the associated time frames didn’t seem to factor into the equation for you? Our minds revert back to what’s easiest and looks to rationalise. We all do this and is part of the programming.

Does he not mention a period of 6 months to 2 years when you start to see results and reset the genetic/coding memory of the cell? This is a vital part of the puzzle.

You are well short of this and perhaps you were starting to experiencing a realignment which is never comfortable (out with the old; in with the new).

If there is toxic waste/cellular debris from metabolism byproduct accumulation, the joint spaces are generally where this is first to be symptomatic. Think arthritis, gout, inflammation etc. The synovial fluid is very sensitive to ionic pressures associated with lymphatic and circuitry pressure gradients. Anywhere where you have osmotic pressures and interstitial fluids working up and down said gradients inflammation and pain ensures as the functional flow is disrupted by the inflammation process, as a result, stagnation increases further contributing  to the accumulation cycle of cellular waste and lymphatic fluid, thus a negative feedback loop is formed. This process is well documented in those experiencing it, as you’re finding out. This fluid also tends to be acidic in ph balance which is what causes pain and irritation of nerve endings. Notice how most inflammation within the elderly demographic is inefficient circulatory which causes cellular metabolism waste to increase and interstitial fluid to accumulate resulting in pooling in the most easily impacted and sensitive areas of systemic circuitry; the hands and the legs. We know this as Oedema.the ramifications of these due her change pressure gradients which then go onto to dislodge a thrombus and causing an embolism. This then goes onto cause a potential stroke or cardiovascular event through blockage. It’s all related. This is a symptom of a lack of efficiency in removal through lymphatic drainage. Another display of these ionic circuitry imbalances from pressure gradients that carry cellular wastes and is joint/mobility issues. Reduce room and function of a joint and its associated space through pressure form intestinal liquid and its associated acidic concentration, a very sore joint results.

Ever tried to water fast? The moment you break it on the first or second day, one always gets a rush of feeling better because you have gone back to the conditioned “normal” and averted the detoxification process. The discomfort from simply changing energy systems in 24-48 hours is enough to make people think they’re dyin. You went 12 weeks into a reversal of systemic damage/malfunction. Hope that gives you some perspective. You’re just experiencing a version of this or your stomach would not be able to handle the meat as you change the ecology of your intestinal fauna. It felt good to go back to what you know and what your neutrons and intestinal fauna had banked on for a time period only you know. This isn’t even bringing yeast/ candida overgrowth into the equation. Fungus is also a common issue. Most of us have it in some form or degree, as yeast is a part of our stomach ecology. However, chuck is fine balance/equilibrium out, well, that’s where things become interesting.

I’ve done a 20 day water fast, multiple 10 day water fasts, 60 day juice fast, 2 x 14 day juice fasts. One cannot comment on the validity in my opinion unless they’ve lived it and seen (or lack thereof) for themselves. The detoxification process is real. No, it’s not directly related to blood ph (common argument against it as acidic blood leads to death; quickly), it is related to the lymphatic system which carries our cellular waste and toxic substances around the circuitry of the body which mirrors that of the cardiovascular system. This is why people have lymph nodes that swell and are often implicated in cancer. A sure sign your system is taxed and overloaded. It is all connected.

Even modern allopathic text books credit the lymphatic system for waste removal and fat circulation, amongst many immune system operations. Starting to see the connection? It’s all there, in black and white to see. Nature does not lie, nor does it give a shit if you see it or not but it will dish out harsh consequences if it’s laws are not respected. Ignorance it cares not for.

Most people have backed up lymphatic  systems which is the cause for inflammation and non-removal of cellular debris and waste. This has to go somewhere, or rather, it doesn’t and then what do you think happens? Ever left rubbish or food to accumulate on the sink? Once again, nature in her design. One learns quick if they are paying attention.

This all ties into duality. Alkaline and acidity. I’ll leave it up to you to think what is optimal for the body and where illness and dis-ease thrive. The answer is in what affect fruits and vegetables have on the body. This is where Rofsy was heading, functionally, speaking. Metaphysically, I don’t think many of us truly know, though we all seem to agree the energy that governs us all is vibration and electromagnetic frequency. Perhaps this energy is imprinted into life even when it’s decayed. Perhaps this is what he meant about meat. Once again, not saying it cannot be eaten but procurement and operation is vital.

Put two and two together, what do you think happens to the systems and tissues making up the macrocosm of these networks of cells when backed up and unable to replicate (mitosis) without impedance?cells have memory yet for the past say 5/10 years (hypothetically) it has been inefficient in its operation impeded by blockage, disrupted function, acidification of the environment etc. 

It is not complicated once you see the simplicity in the system. Mucus is the symptomatic extension of this. I cannot overstate how much of this came out of me on my water fast. More than I could possibly get rid of by my organs of elimination. Detoxification is real. You were in the midst of it and now you have reverted back.

The father of this information, Arnold Ehret mysteriously died (slipped over on a dark Californian street, supposedly) after giving a lecture on mucusless diet and foods and it’s relationship with dis-ease and the lymphatic system. He wasn’t advocating a pure vegan diet either. Mentioned raw milk, certain types of buttermilk, etc. Like all things, these movements are subverted and corrupted before they gain traction. Where have we seen this before?

I also do recall Rofsy mentioning a vegan (raw fruit and vegetables) as the base but also mentions well procured eggs. I don’t think anyone on the planet can disagree vegetables and fruits should be the base so really it is a matter of terminology. Perhaps we should do away with the word vegan. I know I dislike it.

Perhaps Rofsy was more touching on diet for metaphysical reasons? Karmic issues involved with advocation and support of a system built into unnecessary suffrage of animals and associated trauma and energetic footprints as a result (we know little of metaphysics in this regard)?

He also mentions blood type diet as well. This narrows it down. I do not think there is an issue with meat here and there if it is procured properly (no hormones, antibiotics etc) and no misery/suffering went into the animal (perhaps a natural death and then the meat is not wasted?). Native Americans may have touched onto this concept a little.

All I know is I’ve been vegetarian for 8 years and I still eat eggs but stay away from dairy if I can (causes mucus for me and interferes with my intestinal health: IBS), and I no longer get colds or flus. I never get sick. This isn’t any bs. It’s an observation grounded in truth coming from a man not selling you anything that decided to try this all out so he could see if these teachings were grounded in truth.

Interestingly, a sect of suppository “true Jews”, the Essenes, touched on many of these things thousands of years ago in the Dead Sea scrolls and a lot of their information is allegories and metaphors about health, diet, fasting and the serpent (reference to the small and large intestines perhaps?).

I also have a degree in physiology that helped serve as a foundation but then opened my mind and went in different directions outside of allopathic programming. All avenues should be explored.

I suggest Dr Robert Morse (he even says go back to eating meat if you do wish after doing your detoxing and lymphatic reset). He touched on the principles of acidity and alkalinity in diet well, and the implications on the lymphatic system.

Also, distilled water is fine. More subjugation. One thing Rofsy said, trust in nature law. I trust this over 99% of human beings. Distilled water comes from the skies and before this system was corrupted, ancients drank it in bucketloads as it was not laden with chemicals and pollution, like it is now. Yes, rocks leach
Minerals into the water but not everyone lived around rocks. Nature designed the rain to be distilled for a reason. Put a bowl of water of distilled water and tap water on the floor if you have pets. Watch what they choose. Better yet, watch them go to puddles if they are clean. Truth is all around us. Just need to open the eyes and ears.

It also doesn’t leach minerals. It leaches inorganic minerals.

Word of recommendation; research forums with actual human users sharing experiences, if you can find them. Whatever you want to find, type in forum after the word on google. It’s much better to get real people’s experiences rather than ((They))) sponsored propaganda. Take this forum for instance. Think of the sharing that goes on here. There is a reason forums don’t show up much anymore on searches. Sharing is the best way to find out things. It’s by design.

Anyhow, researches on forums will show plentiful amounts of people who drink distilled water with good health. Most are well versed in the bs campaign against distilled water and can break down it all with good information.

Hope this helped.
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#22: November 24, 2020, 08:33:44 PM
Tried to edit and refine the above post.

Unfortunately posting parameters limited the amount of words I could use and spacing of paragraphs. Also, the time to edit lapsed for editing a post, so there are some grammatical issues, unfortunately.

Apologies for the mess of text. Phone typing is an extremely inferior mode of communication.
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#23: November 24, 2020, 09:40:36 PM
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They attack the root because if you block that one off you block them all. It's the gateway

This.

It is no surprise the biggest campaign against the conscious mind starts with root chakra subjugation.

Sexuality keeps men subservient and primitive.

I would say it's the repression of sexuality that has made men easier to lead astray than a starving monkey to a banana.
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#24: November 24, 2020, 10:08:40 PM
It has been rerouted into porn and others forms of degeneracy.

Energy is never destroyed, just transmuted.

But in a sense, you’re right.

Healthy and functional forms of sexuality that serve Godhood have been hijacked and syphoned into destructive/chaotic purposes for (((them))).
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They attack the root because if you block that one off you block them all. It's the gateway

This.

It is no surprise the biggest campaign against the conscious mind starts with root chakra subjugation.

Sexuality keeps men subservient and primitive.

I would say it's the repression of sexuality that has made men easier to lead astray than a starving monkey to a banana.

Repression... explain
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So the last few weeks (12 to be exact) I have eaten VERY little meat in my diet. Mainly healthy meals full of vegetables, fruit, and, well, chocolate but organic. Basically I read the "axe me a question" again recently and thought I would try "vegetarian".

I've lost losts of weight but I've also been having pretty severe muscle and joint pain, which I take a whole host of supplements for such as magnesium, amino acids, and stuff like that.

For the first time in 12 weeks I had a meal, earlier, consisting of mainly meat - a nice big wagyu hamburger, some bacon, basically a home made cheese burger.

It was extremely delicious.

But what just occured to me is...where's my nightly ankle and leg pain? It gets far worse in the evening yet today, the one day I ate a lot of red meat, the pain is missing.

This can't just be a coincedence, right?

So if rofsy was putting disinfo in his answers, what else is disinfo? I've read extensively how distilled water, which he recommends, is really bad for you. Something about it making cells explode. Hmm

The internet is awash with "quit meat to cure joint pain" but for me it's the complete opposite.

Youíre working off quick unfounded assumptions within a very short time period. Be careful not to confuse conjecture and speculation with downright fact.

Rofsy, Iím sure had a little disinformation sprinkled in for his own purposes, no doubt. However, he was on point with many things.

12 weeks you say? Going by your own summation of the reason for why you tried this (which was Rofsyís advice), you answer your own questions, in a sense. Ironically, you listened to some of it but the part about pushing through the discomfort and the associated time frames didnít seem to factor into the equation for you? Our minds revert back to whatís easiest and looks to rationalise. We all do this and is part of the programming.

Does he not mention a period of 6 months to 2 years when you start to see results and reset the genetic/coding memory of the cell? This is a vital part of the puzzle.

You are well short of this and perhaps you were starting to experiencing a realignment which is never comfortable (out with the old; in with the new).

If there is toxic waste/cellular debris from metabolism byproduct accumulation, the joint spaces are generally where this is first to be symptomatic. Think arthritis, gout, inflammation etc. The synovial fluid is very sensitive to ionic pressures associated with lymphatic and circuitry pressure gradients. Anywhere where you have osmotic pressures and interstitial fluids working up and down said gradients inflammation and pain ensures as the functional flow is disrupted by the inflammation process, as a result, stagnation increases further contributing  to the accumulation cycle of cellular waste and lymphatic fluid, thus a negative feedback loop is formed. This process is well documented in those experiencing it, as youíre finding out. This fluid also tends to be acidic in ph balance which is what causes pain and irritation of nerve endings. Notice how most inflammation within the elderly demographic is inefficient circulatory which causes cellular metabolism waste to increase and interstitial fluid to accumulate resulting in pooling in the most easily impacted and sensitive areas of systemic circuitry; the hands and the legs. We know this as Oedema.the ramifications of these due her change pressure gradients which then go onto to dislodge a thrombus and causing an embolism. This then goes onto cause a potential stroke or cardiovascular event through blockage. Itís all related. This is a symptom of a lack of efficiency in removal through lymphatic drainage. Another display of these ionic circuitry imbalances from pressure gradients that carry cellular wastes and is joint/mobility issues. Reduce room and function of a joint and its associated space through pressure form intestinal liquid and its associated acidic concentration, a very sore joint results.

Ever tried to water fast? The moment you break it on the first or second day, one always gets a rush of feeling better because you have gone back to the conditioned ďnormalĒ and averted the detoxification process. The discomfort from simply changing energy systems in 24-48 hours is enough to make people think theyíre dyin. You went 12 weeks into a reversal of systemic damage/malfunction. Hope that gives you some perspective. Youíre just experiencing a version of this or your stomach would not be able to handle the meat as you change the ecology of your intestinal fauna. It felt good to go back to what you know and what your neutrons and intestinal fauna had banked on for a time period only you know. This isnít even bringing yeast/ candida overgrowth into the equation. Fungus is also a common issue. Most of us have it in some form or degree, as yeast is a part of our stomach ecology. However, chuck is fine balance/equilibrium out, well, thatís where things become interesting.

Iíve done a 20 day water fast, multiple 10 day water fasts, 60 day juice fast, 2 x 14 day juice fasts. One cannot comment on the validity in my opinion unless theyíve lived it and seen (or lack thereof) for themselves. The detoxification process is real. No, itís not directly related to blood ph (common argument against it as acidic blood leads to death; quickly), it is related to the lymphatic system which carries our cellular waste and toxic substances around the circuitry of the body which mirrors that of the cardiovascular system. This is why people have lymph nodes that swell and are often implicated in cancer. A sure sign your system is taxed and overloaded. It is all connected.

Even modern allopathic text books credit the lymphatic system for waste removal and fat circulation, amongst many immune system operations. Starting to see the connection? Itís all there, in black and white to see. Nature does not lie, nor does it give a shit if you see it or not but it will dish out harsh consequences if itís laws are not respected. Ignorance it cares not for.

Most people have backed up lymphatic  systems which is the cause for inflammation and non-removal of cellular debris and waste. This has to go somewhere, or rather, it doesnít and then what do you think happens? Ever left rubbish or food to accumulate on the sink? Once again, nature in her design. One learns quick if they are paying attention.

This all ties into duality. Alkaline and acidity. Iíll leave it up to you to think what is optimal for the body and where illness and dis-ease thrive. The answer is in what affect fruits and vegetables have on the body. This is where Rofsy was heading, functionally, speaking. Metaphysically, I donít think many of us truly know, though we all seem to agree the energy that governs us all is vibration and electromagnetic frequency. Perhaps this energy is imprinted into life even when itís decayed. Perhaps this is what he meant about meat. Once again, not saying it cannot be eaten but procurement and operation is vital.

Put two and two together, what do you think happens to the systems and tissues making up the macrocosm of these networks of cells when backed up and unable to replicate (mitosis) without impedance?cells have memory yet for the past say 5/10 years (hypothetically) it has been inefficient in its operation impeded by blockage, disrupted function, acidification of the environment etc. 

It is not complicated once you see the simplicity in the system. Mucus is the symptomatic extension of this. I cannot overstate how much of this came out of me on my water fast. More than I could possibly get rid of by my organs of elimination. Detoxification is real. You were in the midst of it and now you have reverted back.

The father of this information, Arnold Ehret mysteriously died (slipped over on a dark Californian street, supposedly) after giving a lecture on mucusless diet and foods and itís relationship with dis-ease and the lymphatic system. He wasnít advocating a pure vegan diet either. Mentioned raw milk, certain types of buttermilk, etc. Like all things, these movements are subverted and corrupted before they gain traction. Where have we seen this before?

I also do recall Rofsy mentioning a vegan (raw fruit and vegetables) as the base but also mentions well procured eggs. I donít think anyone on the planet can disagree vegetables and fruits should be the base so really it is a matter of terminology. Perhaps we should do away with the word vegan. I know I dislike it.

Perhaps Rofsy was more touching on diet for metaphysical reasons? Karmic issues involved with advocation and support of a system built into unnecessary suffrage of animals and associated trauma and energetic footprints as a result (we know little of metaphysics in this regard)?

He also mentions blood type diet as well. This narrows it down. I do not think there is an issue with meat here and there if it is procured properly (no hormones, antibiotics etc) and no misery/suffering went into the animal (perhaps a natural death and then the meat is not wasted?). Native Americans may have touched onto this concept a little.

All I know is Iíve been vegetarian for 8 years and I still eat eggs but stay away from dairy if I can (causes mucus for me and interferes with my intestinal health: IBS), and I no longer get colds or flus. I never get sick. This isnít any bs. Itís an observation grounded in truth coming from a man not selling you anything that decided to try this all out so he could see if these teachings were grounded in truth.

Interestingly, a sect of suppository ďtrue JewsĒ, the Essenes, touched on many of these things thousands of years ago in the Dead Sea scrolls and a lot of their information is allegories and metaphors about health, diet, fasting and the serpent (reference to the small and large intestines perhaps?).

I also have a degree in physiology that helped serve as a foundation but then opened my mind and went in different directions outside of allopathic programming. All avenues should be explored.

I suggest Dr Robert Morse (he even says go back to eating meat if you do wish after doing your detoxing and lymphatic reset). He touched on the principles of acidity and alkalinity in diet well, and the implications on the lymphatic system.

Also, distilled water is fine. More subjugation. One thing Rofsy said, trust in nature law. I trust this over 99% of human beings. Distilled water comes from the skies and before this system was corrupted, ancients drank it in bucketloads as it was not laden with chemicals and pollution, like it is now. Yes, rocks leach
Minerals into the water but not everyone lived around rocks. Nature designed the rain to be distilled for a reason. Put a bowl of water of distilled water and tap water on the floor if you have pets. Watch what they choose. Better yet, watch them go to puddles if they are clean. Truth is all around us. Just need to open the eyes and ears.

It also doesnít leach minerals. It leaches inorganic minerals.

Word of recommendation; research forums with actual human users sharing experiences, if you can find them. Whatever you want to find, type in forum after the word on google. Itís much better to get real peopleís experiences rather than ((They))) sponsored propaganda. Take this forum for instance. Think of the sharing that goes on here. There is a reason forums donít show up much anymore on searches. Sharing is the best way to find out things. Itís by design.

Anyhow, researches on forums will show plentiful amounts of people who drink distilled water with good health. Most are well versed in the bs campaign against distilled water and can break down it all with good information.

Hope this helped.

Thanks. You make some presumptions about me that are incorrect but on the whole a helpful post.

Honestly I think carbs, especially non complex carbs, are the enemy, for me especially. My blood group diet (O-, RH-) is pretty much meat + veg though I am learning elsewhere that veg itself might be a bit of a myth now and actually be bad for you, broccoli especially; due to sulphurophane; and just meat or, "carnivore" might go a long way for me.

I'm not too bothered about mucus as I take N-Acetyl Cysteine daily.

The biggest problem I have had is for many years I wasn't breathing properly - mouthbreathing. Even after a few months of kufu breathing / box breathing / buyteko breathing, my CP window is still low (how much time in sec you can hold your breathe after exhale before next inhale).
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They attack the root because if you block that one off you block them all. It's the gateway

This.

It is no surprise the biggest campaign against the conscious mind starts with root chakra subjugation.

Sexuality keeps men subservient and primitive.

I would say it's the repression of sexuality that has made men easier to lead astray than a starving monkey to a banana.

Repression... explain

It's actually a dual threat. Repression of male sexuality with #metoo and #menaretrash, the danger of being accused of sexual misconduct for what used to be considered normal flirtation, the glorifying of sadism and masochism particularly depicting the male as the submissive, and of course the testosterone reducing toxins like bpa. Now add to that the hypersexualized entertainment industry flaunting in front of every man's face what he believes he can't get. I know men my age with families who are so thirsty they size up every female in their vicinity like the terminator scanning for threats, just so they can exchange comments among each other.
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It has been rerouted into porn and others forms of degeneracy.

Energy is never destroyed, just transmuted.

But in a sense, youíre right.

Healthy and functional forms of sexuality that serve Godhood have been hijacked and syphoned into destructive/chaotic purposes for (((them))).

Precisely. I've never met a guy who had both confidence with women and anxiety issues. It's usually one or the other.
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So the last few weeks (12 to be exact) I have eaten VERY little meat in my diet. Mainly healthy meals full of vegetables, fruit, and, well, chocolate but organic. Basically I read the "axe me a question" again recently and thought I would try "vegetarian".

I've lost losts of weight but I've also been having pretty severe muscle and joint pain, which I take a whole host of supplements for such as magnesium, amino acids, and stuff like that.

For the first time in 12 weeks I had a meal, earlier, consisting of mainly meat - a nice big wagyu hamburger, some bacon, basically a home made cheese burger.

It was extremely delicious.

But what just occured to me is...where's my nightly ankle and leg pain? It gets far worse in the evening yet today, the one day I ate a lot of red meat, the pain is missing.

This can't just be a coincedence, right?

So if rofsy was putting disinfo in his answers, what else is disinfo? I've read extensively how distilled water, which he recommends, is really bad for you. Something about it making cells explode. Hmm

The internet is awash with "quit meat to cure joint pain" but for me it's the complete opposite.

Youíre working off quick unfounded assumptions within a very short time period. Be careful not to confuse conjecture and speculation with downright fact.

Rofsy, Iím sure had a little disinformation sprinkled in for his own purposes, no doubt. However, he was on point with many things.

12 weeks you say? Going by your own summation of the reason for why you tried this (which was Rofsyís advice), you answer your own questions, in a sense. Ironically, you listened to some of it but the part about pushing through the discomfort and the associated time frames didnít seem to factor into the equation for you? Our minds revert back to whatís easiest and looks to rationalise. We all do this and is part of the programming.

Does he not mention a period of 6 months to 2 years when you start to see results and reset the genetic/coding memory of the cell? This is a vital part of the puzzle.

You are well short of this and perhaps you were starting to experiencing a realignment which is never comfortable (out with the old; in with the new).

If there is toxic waste/cellular debris from metabolism byproduct accumulation, the joint spaces are generally where this is first to be symptomatic. Think arthritis, gout, inflammation etc. The synovial fluid is very sensitive to ionic pressures associated with lymphatic and circuitry pressure gradients. Anywhere where you have osmotic pressures and interstitial fluids working up and down said gradients inflammation and pain ensures as the functional flow is disrupted by the inflammation process, as a result, stagnation increases further contributing  to the accumulation cycle of cellular waste and lymphatic fluid, thus a negative feedback loop is formed. This process is well documented in those experiencing it, as youíre finding out. This fluid also tends to be acidic in ph balance which is what causes pain and irritation of nerve endings. Notice how most inflammation within the elderly demographic is inefficient circulatory which causes cellular metabolism waste to increase and interstitial fluid to accumulate resulting in pooling in the most easily impacted and sensitive areas of systemic circuitry; the hands and the legs. We know this as Oedema.the ramifications of these due her change pressure gradients which then go onto to dislodge a thrombus and causing an embolism. This then goes onto cause a potential stroke or cardiovascular event through blockage. Itís all related. This is a symptom of a lack of efficiency in removal through lymphatic drainage. Another display of these ionic circuitry imbalances from pressure gradients that carry cellular wastes and is joint/mobility issues. Reduce room and function of a joint and its associated space through pressure form intestinal liquid and its associated acidic concentration, a very sore joint results.

Ever tried to water fast? The moment you break it on the first or second day, one always gets a rush of feeling better because you have gone back to the conditioned ďnormalĒ and averted the detoxification process. The discomfort from simply changing energy systems in 24-48 hours is enough to make people think theyíre dyin. You went 12 weeks into a reversal of systemic damage/malfunction. Hope that gives you some perspective. Youíre just experiencing a version of this or your stomach would not be able to handle the meat as you change the ecology of your intestinal fauna. It felt good to go back to what you know and what your neutrons and intestinal fauna had banked on for a time period only you know. This isnít even bringing yeast/ candida overgrowth into the equation. Fungus is also a common issue. Most of us have it in some form or degree, as yeast is a part of our stomach ecology. However, chuck is fine balance/equilibrium out, well, thatís where things become interesting.

Iíve done a 20 day water fast, multiple 10 day water fasts, 60 day juice fast, 2 x 14 day juice fasts. One cannot comment on the validity in my opinion unless theyíve lived it and seen (or lack thereof) for themselves. The detoxification process is real. No, itís not directly related to blood ph (common argument against it as acidic blood leads to death; quickly), it is related to the lymphatic system which carries our cellular waste and toxic substances around the circuitry of the body which mirrors that of the cardiovascular system. This is why people have lymph nodes that swell and are often implicated in cancer. A sure sign your system is taxed and overloaded. It is all connected.

Even modern allopathic text books credit the lymphatic system for waste removal and fat circulation, amongst many immune system operations. Starting to see the connection? Itís all there, in black and white to see. Nature does not lie, nor does it give a shit if you see it or not but it will dish out harsh consequences if itís laws are not respected. Ignorance it cares not for.

Most people have backed up lymphatic  systems which is the cause for inflammation and non-removal of cellular debris and waste. This has to go somewhere, or rather, it doesnít and then what do you think happens? Ever left rubbish or food to accumulate on the sink? Once again, nature in her design. One learns quick if they are paying attention.

This all ties into duality. Alkaline and acidity. Iíll leave it up to you to think what is optimal for the body and where illness and dis-ease thrive. The answer is in what affect fruits and vegetables have on the body. This is where Rofsy was heading, functionally, speaking. Metaphysically, I donít think many of us truly know, though we all seem to agree the energy that governs us all is vibration and electromagnetic frequency. Perhaps this energy is imprinted into life even when itís decayed. Perhaps this is what he meant about meat. Once again, not saying it cannot be eaten but procurement and operation is vital.

Put two and two together, what do you think happens to the systems and tissues making up the macrocosm of these networks of cells when backed up and unable to replicate (mitosis) without impedance?cells have memory yet for the past say 5/10 years (hypothetically) it has been inefficient in its operation impeded by blockage, disrupted function, acidification of the environment etc. 

It is not complicated once you see the simplicity in the system. Mucus is the symptomatic extension of this. I cannot overstate how much of this came out of me on my water fast. More than I could possibly get rid of by my organs of elimination. Detoxification is real. You were in the midst of it and now you have reverted back.

The father of this information, Arnold Ehret mysteriously died (slipped over on a dark Californian street, supposedly) after giving a lecture on mucusless diet and foods and itís relationship with dis-ease and the lymphatic system. He wasnít advocating a pure vegan diet either. Mentioned raw milk, certain types of buttermilk, etc. Like all things, these movements are subverted and corrupted before they gain traction. Where have we seen this before?

I also do recall Rofsy mentioning a vegan (raw fruit and vegetables) as the base but also mentions well procured eggs. I donít think anyone on the planet can disagree vegetables and fruits should be the base so really it is a matter of terminology. Perhaps we should do away with the word vegan. I know I dislike it.

Perhaps Rofsy was more touching on diet for metaphysical reasons? Karmic issues involved with advocation and support of a system built into unnecessary suffrage of animals and associated trauma and energetic footprints as a result (we know little of metaphysics in this regard)?

He also mentions blood type diet as well. This narrows it down. I do not think there is an issue with meat here and there if it is procured properly (no hormones, antibiotics etc) and no misery/suffering went into the animal (perhaps a natural death and then the meat is not wasted?). Native Americans may have touched onto this concept a little.

All I know is Iíve been vegetarian for 8 years and I still eat eggs but stay away from dairy if I can (causes mucus for me and interferes with my intestinal health: IBS), and I no longer get colds or flus. I never get sick. This isnít any bs. Itís an observation grounded in truth coming from a man not selling you anything that decided to try this all out so he could see if these teachings were grounded in truth.

Interestingly, a sect of suppository ďtrue JewsĒ, the Essenes, touched on many of these things thousands of years ago in the Dead Sea scrolls and a lot of their information is allegories and metaphors about health, diet, fasting and the serpent (reference to the small and large intestines perhaps?).

I also have a degree in physiology that helped serve as a foundation but then opened my mind and went in different directions outside of allopathic programming. All avenues should be explored.

I suggest Dr Robert Morse (he even says go back to eating meat if you do wish after doing your detoxing and lymphatic reset). He touched on the principles of acidity and alkalinity in diet well, and the implications on the lymphatic system.

Also, distilled water is fine. More subjugation. One thing Rofsy said, trust in nature law. I trust this over 99% of human beings. Distilled water comes from the skies and before this system was corrupted, ancients drank it in bucketloads as it was not laden with chemicals and pollution, like it is now. Yes, rocks leach
Minerals into the water but not everyone lived around rocks. Nature designed the rain to be distilled for a reason. Put a bowl of water of distilled water and tap water on the floor if you have pets. Watch what they choose. Better yet, watch them go to puddles if they are clean. Truth is all around us. Just need to open the eyes and ears.

It also doesnít leach minerals. It leaches inorganic minerals.

Word of recommendation; research forums with actual human users sharing experiences, if you can find them. Whatever you want to find, type in forum after the word on google. Itís much better to get real peopleís experiences rather than ((They))) sponsored propaganda. Take this forum for instance. Think of the sharing that goes on here. There is a reason forums donít show up much anymore on searches. Sharing is the best way to find out things. Itís by design.

Anyhow, researches on forums will show plentiful amounts of people who drink distilled water with good health. Most are well versed in the bs campaign against distilled water and can break down it all with good information.

Hope this helped.

Thanks. You make some presumptions about me that are incorrect but on the whole a helpful post.

Honestly I think carbs, especially non complex carbs, are the enemy, for me especially. My blood group diet (O-, RH-) is pretty much meat + veg though I am learning elsewhere that veg itself might be a bit of a myth now and actually be bad for you, broccoli especially; due to sulphurophane; and just meat or, "carnivore" might go a long way for me.

I'm not too bothered about mucus as I take N-Acetyl Cysteine daily.

The biggest problem I have had is for many years I wasn't breathing properly - mouthbreathing. Even after a few months of kufu breathing / box breathing / buyteko breathing, my CP window is still low (how much time in sec you can hold your breathe after exhale before next inhale).

One week in the wilderness at least 20 miles from any cell towers. No wifi devices of any kind. If you can bathe in naturally formed body of water even better. Watch your cp window I crease in only 7 days
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