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#15: July 29, 2020, 10:18:46 PM
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I believe that Odin was a magician who was later deified, just like many other deities. I don't really understand the whole deal with sacrificing your eye though. Obviously the point is that to gain something you must sacrifice something in exchange. But why?

Matthew 6:22

The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

It's your 3rd eye (grass said 7th chakra right)? It's ONE eye, and the other was violently removed (sacrificed). Also he probably worked for the illuminati.

But the group(s) commonly referred to as the 'Illuminati' aren't the bad guys.

There are two groups, one for magic and the other for science. The ones who work towards the existence of magic are the Illuminati. The ones who work towards 'science' dominating things and killing off magic (and those able to use it) are the actual 'bad guys' in this situation.

This is where understanding of what the World Wars were about becomes useful. It was a war between magic and science. It's not like it ever ended (nor started there) but that specific moment in history is one of the most recent big physical conflicts related to this.
Knowing that Hitler apparently had an interest in old relics and 'alien' technology, you can probably guess what he was fighting for (and what side). Once you know what side he was on, you will know what the 'Allies' were fighting for.

You want an example demonstrating how the World Wars was a magic war? Look at the Wonder Woman movies.

No I want to know who was probably in the illuminati

I don't think I know the answer to that as of this post.

If Hitler was fighting (at least in part) for the persistence of magic in our world, then wouldn't that make him a member to some extent?
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Who is Odin?
#16: July 29, 2020, 10:50:39 PM
Sorry, that part of my post was a joke (a nod to the people I encounter who are "woke").
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Re: Who is Odin?
#17: July 30, 2020, 02:32:24 AM
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I believe that Odin was a magician who was later deified, just like many other deities. I don't really understand the whole deal with sacrificing your eye though. Obviously the point is that to gain something you must sacrifice something in exchange. But why?

Matthew 6:22

The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

It's your 3rd eye (grass said 7th chakra right)? It's ONE eye, and the other was violently removed (sacrificed). Also he probably worked for the illuminati.

But the group(s) commonly referred to as the 'Illuminati' aren't the bad guys.

There are two groups, one for magic and the other for science. The ones who work towards the existence of magic are the Illuminati. The ones who work towards 'science' dominating things and killing off magic (and those able to use it) are the actual 'bad guys' in this situation.

This is where understanding of what the World Wars were about becomes useful. It was a war between magic and science. It's not like it ever ended (nor started there) but that specific moment in history is one of the most recent big physical conflicts related to this.
Knowing that Hitler apparently had an interest in old relics and 'alien' technology, you can probably guess what he was fighting for (and what side). Once you know what side he was on, you will know what the 'Allies' were fighting for.

You want an example demonstrating how the World Wars was a magic war? Look at the Wonder Woman movies.

No I want to know who was probably in the illuminati

I don't think I know the answer to that as of this post.

If Hitler was fighting (at least in part) for the persistence of magic in our world, then wouldn't that make him a member to some extent?

Am I a member?
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Re: Who is Odin?
#18: July 30, 2020, 03:31:10 AM
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I believe that Odin was a magician who was later deified, just like many other deities. I don't really understand the whole deal with sacrificing your eye though. Obviously the point is that to gain something you must sacrifice something in exchange. But why?

Matthew 6:22

The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

It's your 3rd eye (grass said 7th chakra right)? It's ONE eye, and the other was violently removed (sacrificed). Also he probably worked for the illuminati.

But the group(s) commonly referred to as the 'Illuminati' aren't the bad guys.

There are two groups, one for magic and the other for science. The ones who work towards the existence of magic are the Illuminati. The ones who work towards 'science' dominating things and killing off magic (and those able to use it) are the actual 'bad guys' in this situation.

This is where understanding of what the World Wars were about becomes useful. It was a war between magic and science. It's not like it ever ended (nor started there) but that specific moment in history is one of the most recent big physical conflicts related to this.
Knowing that Hitler apparently had an interest in old relics and 'alien' technology, you can probably guess what he was fighting for (and what side). Once you know what side he was on, you will know what the 'Allies' were fighting for.

You want an example demonstrating how the World Wars was a magic war? Look at the Wonder Woman movies.

No I want to know who was probably in the illuminati

I don't think I know the answer to that as of this post.

If Hitler was fighting (at least in part) for the persistence of magic in our world, then wouldn't that make him a member to some extent?

Am I a member?

If we go by my description of said members and what their group fights for, then yes. You and on an less 'official' note, for the uninitiated, at least the main members but everyone else that wishes to see magic return instead of a technological, 'scientific' advanced society that snuffs it and its users out.

But what makes you an 'official' member over someone else? I would have thought being born and then brought into a group to be initiated but maybe its the case that anyone who reaches the level of being aware of magic and works to see it prevail is part of these 'illuminates'.

To be clear, I'm no hating on 'science' but the reason that the cult of science's push for technological implementation as a way to progress and advanced as a race and society (even though there are many clear examples where it harms biological life, at least how we have utilized as of now) is to make all natural magic users obsolete and get them reliant on these machines instead of harnessing themselves and growing to use magic properly.

'Science' means 'to know' and what they can't have the proles knowing is that there is energy everywhere waiting to be tapped into. You don't even need a machine to tap into it.

Technology bypasses cognitive dissonance to allow individuals to use magic. If that is the case and you support technology over magic, then you will never bypass said cognitive dissonance and ultimately become a tool for dark forces trying to reclaim this space.
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Re: Who is Odin?
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I believe that Odin was a magician who was later deified, just like many other deities. I don't really understand the whole deal with sacrificing your eye though. Obviously the point is that to gain something you must sacrifice something in exchange. But why?

Matthew 6:22

The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

It's your 3rd eye (grass said 7th chakra right)? It's ONE eye, and the other was violently removed (sacrificed). Also he probably worked for the illuminati.

To be clear, I said the third eye is the seventh sense, after visual, audio, kinesthetic, gustatory, olfactory, and locus of attention.
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I believe that Odin was a magician who was later deified, just like many other deities. I don't really understand the whole deal with sacrificing your eye though. Obviously the point is that to gain something you must sacrifice something in exchange. But why?

Matthew 6:22

The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

It's your 3rd eye (grass said 7th chakra right)? It's ONE eye, and the other was violently removed (sacrificed). Also he probably worked for the illuminati.

To be clear, I said the third eye is the seventh sense, after visual, audio, kinesthetic, gustatory, olfactory, and locus of attention.

Thank you for the clarification.
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Who is Odin?
#21: July 30, 2020, 12:32:21 PM
Was Odin a man?

""Odin and his wife had a prophecy, and it revealed to him that his name would be exalted in the northern part of the world and would be honored above the names of all kings. Therefore, he set out to set off on a journey ..." Odin and his people were glorified and taken for gods, the story goes. Edda. And so they came north to the land of the Saxons. Odin left three sons to rule the country. One of them was named Vegdeg. He remained in the eastern country of the Saxons. Odin's second son was called Beldeg, or Balder. The present Westphalia belonged to him. Odin's third son, Sigi, ruled the land that was later called the country of the Franks, and the Wolsung family originated from him. One set out on a further journey and reached a country called Reidgotland. Odin made its ruler his son Skjeld. From him comes the Skjeldung clan. These are Danish kings and the country later became known as Jutland. Then Odin reached the country that is now called Sweden. Then it was ruled by Gyulvi. He went out to meet Odin and said that he could rule in his state as soon as he wanted."
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#22: July 30, 2020, 12:45:09 PM
Odin: Wotan - pragerm Vodanaz-skand. Wodinaz-Vilus-Winds (English) -Russian Veles
This is the name of Wednesday in English Windsday, that is, Odin's day.

Veles is described as the god of the dungeon, the cattle god, the snake god, the god of wisdom. Veles has a lot in common in Water (Vodanaz-Diver). Like the serpentine God, Veles is the god of wisdom, and Odin is similar."

Veles-One-Shiva. Great God of Indo-Europeans

Gavrilov D., Trace of Veles in Russian fairy tales and epics / Myths and magic
Indo-Europeans, N7.-M .: Manager, 1998.
"Let's turn to the old tale `Knee-deep in silver, elbow-deep in
gold`. In the work of a remarkable Soviet writer-folklorist
Alexander Nikolaevich Nechaev, it is called `Ivan, the widow's son` [1].
there is a baked bull. The bull has a chiseled knife in one side, and garlic in the other
crushed. Know cut, soak in garlic and eat plenty. Is it bad? A cow or
bull, or elk `forest cow` is the totem animal of the` cattle` god of the Rus and
Slavs of Veles. Often in ancient times, a bull was brought as a gift to an idol,
butchering on a sacrificial stone. Buyan Island in a number of studies
identified with Ruyan-Rugen, where until 1168 flourished
Slovenian paganism and, probably, sacrifices were made on special occasions. IN
other conspiracies mention together the mystical Brawler, its inhabitants and
alatyr-stone [2,5]. Not the great Alatyr that closes the entrance to
hellish kingdom, but just a stone at the crossroads, near which
celebrated traditional rituals, made offerings to underground deities, and
guardians of the roads. Alatyr means `altar`. We observe the same in the cult
the ancient Greek goddess, the terrible Hecate.
Let's go back to the Russian fairy tale. As usual, her hero Ivan, although not a fool
and not a royal family, but he has an evil stepfather, a merchant. Wanting to get rid of the guy
he takes him with him to the wrong side, where he starts a quarrel, accusing him of stealing:
`` I ate gingerbread cookies, and even opens the door so that the jester, such and such, will take you!
Only had time to say, as at the same moment the spruce-bereznik began to rustle,
crackled, everything around went dark, and an old man appeared from the thicket,
scary-terrified: head like a haystop, eyes like bowls,
in the shoulders a slanting fathom and itself is on a level with the forest: `` For what you gave me,
jester, guy, get your box of snacks! `In this description you can guess
hairy VELES-Sheaf. GREAT and mighty patron of the forest world. At the same
the time of Veles is associated with the abundance of the harvest and prosperity. Mirolyubov writes,
that in a compressed field the peasant left a beard of ears tied in a bunch
tribute to Veles. He also celebrates the worship of the Sheaf, the symbol of hair [3].
Hair or Hairdressers (Milky Way) can also be identified with  heavenly bread.

Do not forget that Velez is like Odin, the lord of the dead, and
conductor of the `souls` of the dead to the kingdom of hell, like Hermes. Finally, he
Guardian of the gates of the Bright Iryas Slavic Valhalla. We found another one
unobvious, but very beautiful connection between the dead and Veles. Death mows
ears are cut off.
Death decays people. The ears are the prey of the farmer, and the dead are the prey
of death. The soil that feeds the ears consists of the dust of ancestors.
The nickname `jester`, close to the word` buffoon`, also indicates a connection with
Veles. Pagan dances, antics and breaking buffoons were interpreted
Christian church as demon possession. Great Odin blessed
skalds, and exuberant HAIR patronized epic creativity, WOLF
buffoons, as before the boyans.
`The jester of the guy praises:` Well, well done!
You have a knack and hands, you see, golden, only childish strength. Yes
that is fixable. 'He took out a jug from the shelf:' Drink three sips! 'Ivan drank
and his strength has tripled. 'And then, in the course of the tale, to escape
from the Master, Ivan drinks the jester's magic drinks: green, red, white."
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#23: July 30, 2020, 03:41:29 PM
"Wotan is a restless wanderer who creates unrest and stirs up strife, now here, now there, and works magic."

--Carl Jung
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#24: July 30, 2020, 09:16:51 PM
Lol I hadn’t noticed “Windsday,” kudos OP.

Odin the traveler, inciter of duplicity, lord of winds, lord of magic...

The oral tradition of Odin as an ubermensch or physical god also matches Melqart, Heracles, Nimrod/Noah the giant, Quetzlcoatl. A physical being traveling the ancient world and founding civilizations through his descendants or magical feats.
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#25: July 30, 2020, 09:42:37 PM
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"Wotan is a restless wanderer who creates unrest and stirs up strife, now here, now there, and works magic."

--Carl Jung

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Lol I hadn’t noticed “Windsday,” kudos OP.

Odin the traveler, inciter of duplicity, lord of winds, lord of magic...

The oral tradition of Odin as an ubermensch or physical god also matches Melqart, Heracles, Nimrod/Noah the giant, Quetzlcoatl. A physical being traveling the ancient world and founding civilizations through his descendants or magical feats.

Sounds a lot like an aspect of Lucifer to me.
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#26: July 30, 2020, 10:36:39 PM
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Was Odin a man?

""Odin and his wife had a prophecy, and it revealed to him that his name would be exalted in the northern part of the world and would be honored above the names of all kings. Therefore, he set out to set off on a journey ..." Odin and his people were glorified and taken for gods, the story goes. Edda. And so they came north to the land of the Saxons. Odin left three sons to rule the country. One of them was named Vegdeg. He remained in the eastern country of the Saxons. Odin's second son was called Beldeg, or Balder. The present Westphalia belonged to him. Odin's third son, Sigi, ruled the land that was later called the country of the Franks, and the Wolsung family originated from him. One set out on a further journey and reached a country called Reidgotland. Odin made its ruler his son Skjeld. From him comes the Skjeldung clan. These are Danish kings and the country later became known as Jutland. Then Odin reached the country that is now called Sweden. Then it was ruled by Gyulvi. He went out to meet Odin and said that he could rule in his state as soon as he wanted."

Wotan was precisely a man
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""Odin and his wife had a prophecy, and it revealed to him that his name would be exalted in the northern part of the world and would be honored above the names of all kings. Therefore, he set out to set off on a journey ..." Odin and his people were glorified and taken for gods, the story goes. Edda. And so they came north to the land of the Saxons. Odin left three sons to rule the country. One of them was named Vegdeg. He remained in the eastern country of the Saxons. Odin's second son was called Beldeg, or Balder. The present Westphalia belonged to him. Odin's third son, Sigi, ruled the land that was later called the country of the Franks, and the Wolsung family originated from him. One set out on a further journey and reached a country called Reidgotland. Odin made its ruler his son Skjeld. From him comes the Skjeldung clan. These are Danish kings and the country later became known as Jutland. Then Odin reached the country that is now called Sweden. Then it was ruled by Gyulvi. He went out to meet Odin and said that he could rule in his state as soon as he wanted."

Wotan was precisely a man

So what is a 'man' in this context? The same kind of 'man' Crowley was?
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""Odin and his wife had a prophecy, and it revealed to him that his name would be exalted in the northern part of the world and would be honored above the names of all kings. Therefore, he set out to set off on a journey ..." Odin and his people were glorified and taken for gods, the story goes. Edda. And so they came north to the land of the Saxons. Odin left three sons to rule the country. One of them was named Vegdeg. He remained in the eastern country of the Saxons. Odin's second son was called Beldeg, or Balder. The present Westphalia belonged to him. Odin's third son, Sigi, ruled the land that was later called the country of the Franks, and the Wolsung family originated from him. One set out on a further journey and reached a country called Reidgotland. Odin made its ruler his son Skjeld. From him comes the Skjeldung clan. These are Danish kings and the country later became known as Jutland. Then Odin reached the country that is now called Sweden. Then it was ruled by Gyulvi. He went out to meet Odin and said that he could rule in his state as soon as he wanted."

Wotan was precisely a man

So what is a 'man' in this context? The same kind of 'man' Crowley was?

The kind of man crolwey almost was
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"Wotan is a restless wanderer who creates unrest and stirs up strife, now here, now there, and works magic."

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Lol I hadn’t noticed “Windsday,” kudos OP.

Odin the traveler, inciter of duplicity, lord of winds, lord of magic...

The oral tradition of Odin as an ubermensch or physical god also matches Melqart, Heracles, Nimrod/Noah the giant, Quetzlcoatl. A physical being traveling the ancient world and founding civilizations through his descendants or magical feats.

Sounds a lot like an aspect of Lucifer to me.

Yet he is referred to as Allfather.
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