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If you do not open the gate for me to come in,
I shall smash the door and shatter the bolt,
I shall smash the doorpost and overturn the doors,
I shall raise up the dead and they shall eat the living:
And the dead shall outnumber the living!

Ishtar?

Also, "The English word "zombie", from the Haitian French "zombi", is purported to have first been recorded by Southey in his 1819 essay History of Brazil."
"According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the word "zombie" first appeared in English around 1810 when historian Robert Southey mentioned it in his book "History of Brazil." But this "Zombi" was not the familiar brain-eating manlike monstrosity but instead a West African deity. The word later came to suggest the vital, human force leaving the shell of a body, and ultimately a creature human in form but lacking the self-awareness, intelligence, and a soul. It was imported to Haiti and elsewhere from Africa through the slave trade."
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"zombie (n.)
1871, of West African origin (compare Kikongo zumbi "fetish;" Kimbundu nzambi "god"), originally the name of a snake god, later with meaning "reanimated corpse" in voodoo cult. But perhaps also from Louisiana creole word meaning "phantom, ghost," from Spanish sombra "shade, ghost." Sense "slow-witted person" is recorded from 1936."
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A 'higher' god trying to enter a lower realm? What makes Hell such a contested plane?
“…for she hath yielded up herself to everything that liveth, and hath become a partaker in its mystery. And because she hath made her self the servant of each, therefore is she become the mistress of all.”

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A 'higher' god trying to enter a lower realm? What makes Hell such a contested plane?
“…for she hath yielded up herself to everything that liveth, and hath become a partaker in its mystery. And because she hath made her self the servant of each, therefore is she become the mistress of all.”

"And because she hath made her self the servant of each, therefore is she become the mistress of all.”

To me, that sounds like the 'divine whore' Crowley was apparently obsessed with learning the true meaning/purpose of.

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"In discussing the story of “Inanna’s Decent to the Netherworld,” Diane Wolkstein comments on the interrelation between Inanna and her sister Ereshkigal, Queen of the Netherworld:

"In many ways, Ereshkigal is the other, neglected side of Inanna. Therefore, when she hears of the appearance at her gates of the “all-white” fertile, bedecked Goddess of Love, she is enraged, for Inanna’s light, glory and perpetual movement have, to some extent, been achieved at her expense. (158)

Ereshkigal, the neglected side of Inanna, has certain qualities that are similar to Lilith’s. Both are connected to nighttime aspects of the feminine—the powerful, raging sexuality and the deep wounds accumulated from life’s rejection—which seeks solace in physical union only…. The powerful Lilith of Inanna’s adolescent days had to be sent away so Inanna’s life-exploring talents could be developed. But now that Inannna has become queen of her city, wife to her beloved, mother to her children, she is more able to face what se has neglected and feared: the instinctual, wounded, frightened parts of herself. She now hears, and is capable of respond to, the labor of Ershkigal in the Great Below. (160)"

So Ereshkigal and Inanna are doppelgangers and alter egos—sharing many characteristics, but unable to be in the same place. This relationship is extended to Ishtar through the synchronizing of the Inanna and Ishtar."

Also, in some variations of the myth, Inanna’s descent into the underworld happens because she's summoned by a "consortium of underworld gods called the Anunnaki(meaning a "host of demons"), who were associated with magic and sorcery"

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To me, that sounds like the 'divine whore' Crowley was apparently obsessed with learning the true meaning/purpose of.

It is! You can search the phrase for its Aethyr, it describes the Scarlet Whore, Crowley’s obvious rebranding of Ishtar/Inanna. Searching the “If you do not open the gate for me to come in...” stanza takes you to the story of Inanna entering the underworld.

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Also, in some variations of the myth, Inanna’s descent into the underworld happens because she's summoned by a "consortium of underworld gods called the Anunnaki(meaning a "host of demons"), who were associated with magic and sorcery"

Sounds like the Babalon Workings.

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If you do not open the gate for me to come in,
I shall smash the door and shatter the bolt,
I shall smash the doorpost and overturn the doors,
I shall raise up the dead and they shall eat the living:
And the dead shall outnumber the living!

Ishtar?

Also, "The English word "zombie", from the Haitian French "zombi", is purported to have first been recorded by Southey in his 1819 essay History of Brazil."
"According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the word "zombie" first appeared in English around 1810 when historian Robert Southey mentioned it in his book "History of Brazil." But this "Zombi" was not the familiar brain-eating manlike monstrosity but instead a West African deity. The word later came to suggest the vital, human force leaving the shell of a body, and ultimately a creature human in form but lacking the self-awareness, intelligence, and a soul. It was imported to Haiti and elsewhere from Africa through the slave trade."
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"zombie (n.)
1871, of West African origin (compare Kikongo zumbi "fetish;" Kimbundu nzambi "god"), originally the name of a snake god, later with meaning "reanimated corpse" in voodoo cult. But perhaps also from Louisiana creole word meaning "phantom, ghost," from Spanish sombra "shade, ghost." Sense "slow-witted person" is recorded from 1936."

Go beyond the wiki. Who was so they why did he write that

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Zombie Outbreaks in History
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Zombie Attack at Hierakonpolis

November 6, 2007

by Renée Friedman

Weighing the evidence for and dating of Solanum virus outbreaks in early Egypt

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Davis purported to discover that zombies were indeed real, and were the work of "Bokor" Voodoo sorcerers using a powder derived from fish toxins called poud zombie(Davis 1988: 1715). Davis' zombies were not truly reanimated dead bodies, but people put into a death-like coma. When the person regained consciousness they were made to be slaves in remote villages.
However here we are concerned with real zombies, reanimated bodies of the recent dead who are driven by an urge to consume living people, in turn, creating more zombies. The idea that zombies are supernatural beings needs to be discarded. They are not the Spawn of Hell, although, they certainly look the part. They are, or were, people who were infected by the Solanum virus. The virus creates a zombie by eating away the frontal lobe of the brain for replication, thus destroying it. The virus mutates the brain and allows the brain to remain alive but dormant and without the need for oxygen. Once the mutation is complete, approximately 23 hours from infection to fully functioning zombie, the ghoul will be on the unending search for living human flesh, thus spreading the infection (Brooks 2003: 2).
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What is the earliest literary appearance of zombies?
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It’s the late 14th Century, and a Great Pestilence —the “Black Death”— is sweeping across Europe, killing over 100 million people. BUT, what if history as we know it was a lie? What if, in reality, this was no straightforward plague, but the FIRST non-recorded Zombie Infestation of man? Ex-Crusader Roderick Helms and his fellow “black ops” agents the Church, Fiat Lux, must seek out the cause of this undead outbreak and vanquish it before mankind ceases to exist! 
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Zombie Survival Guide books by Max Brooks
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It starts on the night of a meteor shower. Now back then they didn't really know what they were since they didn't have the news or the weather channel, but apparently it was going on long enough that two guys, Smokey and Billy, went up on the roof of the general store to keep watching it after everyone else had gotten bored. They're up there wondering how far away these shooting stars are when they see one that was apparently so close that they could visibly see it in the sky above them. As in, they could make out its outline and see the tail and everything. In fact, one flew by so close they could actually feel the rush of wind as it blew by. They even witnessed it crash into the mountains with a huge explosion. 
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If you do not open the gate for me to come in,
I shall smash the door and shatter the bolt,
I shall smash the doorpost and overturn the doors,
I shall raise up the dead and they shall eat the living:
And the dead shall outnumber the living!

Ishtar?

Also, "The English word "zombie", from the Haitian French "zombi", is purported to have first been recorded by Southey in his 1819 essay History of Brazil."
"According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the word "zombie" first appeared in English around 1810 when historian Robert Southey mentioned it in his book "History of Brazil." But this "Zombi" was not the familiar brain-eating manlike monstrosity but instead a West African deity. The word later came to suggest the vital, human force leaving the shell of a body, and ultimately a creature human in form but lacking the self-awareness, intelligence, and a soul. It was imported to Haiti and elsewhere from Africa through the slave trade."
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"zombie (n.)
1871, of West African origin (compare Kikongo zumbi "fetish;" Kimbundu nzambi "god"), originally the name of a snake god, later with meaning "reanimated corpse" in voodoo cult. But perhaps also from Louisiana creole word meaning "phantom, ghost," from Spanish sombra "shade, ghost." Sense "slow-witted person" is recorded from 1936."

Go beyond the wiki. Who was so they why did he write that

From what I could gather, Southey had an interest in the occult, writing a poem about Cornelius Agrippa and epics inspired by Hinduism and Zoroastrianism.
He also spent some time with his uncle in Portugal, who was of a higher social class, and there he had an unspecified negative experience and he became anti catholic, against the church, and during this time he started writing "History of Brazil".
He also had a few children who died, which may have influenced him.
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If you do not open the gate for me to come in,
I shall smash the door and shatter the bolt,
I shall smash the doorpost and overturn the doors,
I shall raise up the dead and they shall eat the living:
And the dead shall outnumber the living!

Ishtar?

Also, "The English word "zombie", from the Haitian French "zombi", is purported to have first been recorded by Southey in his 1819 essay History of Brazil."
"According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the word "zombie" first appeared in English around 1810 when historian Robert Southey mentioned it in his book "History of Brazil." But this "Zombi" was not the familiar brain-eating manlike monstrosity but instead a West African deity. The word later came to suggest the vital, human force leaving the shell of a body, and ultimately a creature human in form but lacking the self-awareness, intelligence, and a soul. It was imported to Haiti and elsewhere from Africa through the slave trade."
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"zombie (n.)
1871, of West African origin (compare Kikongo zumbi "fetish;" Kimbundu nzambi "god"), originally the name of a snake god, later with meaning "reanimated corpse" in voodoo cult. But perhaps also from Louisiana creole word meaning "phantom, ghost," from Spanish sombra "shade, ghost." Sense "slow-witted person" is recorded from 1936."

Go beyond the wiki. Who was so they why did he write that

From what I could gather, Southey had an interest in the occult, writing a poem about Cornelius Agrippa and epics inspired by Hinduism and Zoroastrianism.
He also spent some time with his uncle in Portugal, who was of a higher social class, and there he had an unspecified negative experience and he became anti catholic, against the church, and during this time he started writing "History of Brazil".
He also had a few children who died, which may have influenced him.

I think one of the themes in his poetry was about creating order out of chaos, which is also a theme in Inanna’s myth
Last Edit: April 17, 2020, 09:26:16 PM by ophiuchus

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This mentions that Haiti was home to sorcerers who attempted to raise the dead, which was documented in 1835 when the Penal Record appeared in Haitian Law, that included article 249, which states that:

"It shall also be qualified as attempted murder the employment which may be made against any person of substances which, without causing actual death, produce a lethargic coma more or less prolonged. If, after the person had been buried, the act shall be considered murder no matter what result follows. "
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This mentions that Haiti was home to sorcerers who attempted to raise the dead, which was documented in 1835 when the Penal Record appeared in Haitian Law, that included article 249, which states that:

"It shall also be qualified as attempted murder the employment which may be made against any person of substances which, without causing actual death, produce a lethargic coma more or less prolonged. If, after the person had been buried, the act shall be considered murder no matter what result follows. "

Can confirm this still goes on there. 


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From what I could gather, Southey had an interest in the occult, writing a poem about Cornelius Agrippa and epics inspired by Hinduism and Zoroastrianism.

If he's an occultist trained in Hindu myth, his Zombi/Zambi refers to ye olde kundalini, or perhaps the naga?

The early 1800's is when slaves from the Caribbean were spread out across the western frontier. Was this outbreak a curse cast by the black slaves?

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This mentions that Haiti was home to sorcerers who attempted to raise the dead, which was documented in 1835 when the Penal Record appeared in Haitian Law, that included article 249, which states that:

"It shall also be qualified as attempted murder the employment which may be made against any person of substances which, without causing actual death, produce a lethargic coma more or less prolonged. If, after the person had been buried, the act shall be considered murder no matter what result follows. "

Hundreds of thousands of Africans were brought to Haiti as slaves. They brought voodoo with them. At the end of the 18th century, for 13 years, the Haitians fought off French soldiers. Finally, Napoleon gave up on his plan to funnel the abundant raw natural resources of North America to Haiti for the slaves to build his empire in the West, and he sold the Louisiana territory to the United States in order to keep it out of the hands of the British. Subsequently, many Haitians immigrated to the U.S. They brought voodoo with them.
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